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07:54: Chox> ppl
08:14: Chox> :chox:
08:45: Chox>
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09:25: Kinetic> Boooo
09:26: Kinetic> Why is banned?
09:26: * Kinetic unbans
09:29: Chox> boo
10:17: Chox> foo
10:32: aardvark> noose
10:53: Chox> varkoose
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11:13: mumoss> Chox
11:39: * Kinetic points out new !NetSurf testing copy
11:42: Kinetic> Hmmm... all these idlers
11:44: mumoss>
11:44: mumoss> Look at my latest Netsurf mailing list post
11:44: mumoss> I am a *t**t*.
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11:46: Queen of the Ryche> Hello!
11:46: +++ Queen of the Ryche has changed the topic to 'Black is the last thing you'll see'
11:46: mumoss>
11:47: Queen of the Ryche> Hello
11:48: mumoss> Hello!
11:48: Queen of the Ryche> How goes it
11:49: * Andrew C. Poole bursts in like a flash of light
11:49: Queen of the Ryche>
11:50: Chox> hello
11:50: Andrew C. Poole> ?
11:50: Queen of the Ryche> ACP: why does Chox's name always appear?
11:50: Queen of the Ryche> Hello!
11:50: Chox> cos I'm always here
11:50: mumoss> ACP!
11:51: Queen of the Ryche> Im beginning to think you look like !
11:51: mumoss>
11:51: Andrew C. Poole>
11:52: Chox> Im Im Im Im. sigh.
11:52: Andrew C. Poole> http://www.riscos.com/news/news_items/PR280802.htm
11:53: * Andrew C. Poole will put that on TIB right now
11:53: Queen of the Ryche> Don't be so pedantic and again, rude
11:54: mumoss>
11:54: * mumoss will read the AR later
11:54: mumoss> Is anyone here going to the AGM?
11:54: * Chox isn't being rude. I'm just tired of ppl not making an effort
11:54: * Chox should be at the AGM. it's just down the road
11:54: * Andrew C. Poole downloads
11:55: Queen of the Ryche> A mistake Chox.
11:55: * mumoss checks where the AGM is
11:55: Chox> we all make mistakes. Even me
11:55: Queen of the Ryche>
11:56: mumoss> I never make mistakes. It's an impractical thing to do.
11:57: Chox> moss has the right idea
11:57: Queen of the Ryche> bfn
11:57: Andrew C. Poole> I rarely make mistooks
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12:07: wardrobe> who Andrew Weston is so leet, he can use many different nicks. I want to be just like him.
12:07: wardrobe> s/who/wow/
12:08: wardrobe> gah, I always seem to join as people leave
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12:10: mumoss>
12:17: Chox> moss
12:19: * Chox bopts latest TIB article, and its mistakes
12:20: * Chox bops ACP
12:29: mumoss> whilest
12:29: mumoss> And there's a FULL STOP MISSING!!!
12:29: mumoss> That's worse than an erroneous comma
12:31: [mentat]> DISASTER!
12:31: mumoss>
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12:32: wardrobe> hi
12:32: wardrobe> wow, people!
12:33: [mentat]> 'robe
12:33: [mentat]>
12:33: mumoss> wardrobe
12:33: [mentat]> COLON Chox COLON
12:33: [mentat]> Grapevine has arrived
12:34: wardrobe> hi mentat, moss
12:34: mumoss>
12:34: mumoss> Have you used it yet?
12:34: [mentat]> Well, you see, NO ONE IS ON MSN at the moment
12:35: [mentat]> Slap
12:35: mumoss> playpen.iswe.net is looking better...
12:35: wardrobe> I am
12:35: mumoss> I'm not going on MSN now; I'm off to get some FOOD in a minute
12:35: * wardrobe uses natter now that my eyes have adjusted to the manic flickering
12:35: [mentat]> 'robe - wha?
12:36: wardrobe> "wha?" is in reference to what exactly?
12:36: [mentat]> it's a breathless "What"
12:37: [mentat]> You can guess...
12:37: [mentat]> It means what is your msn ID thing
12:37: wardrobe> ooh, ok.
12:38: wardrobe> pfft, um. my id is 'diodesign', emai address is chris@diodesign.co.uk
12:40: wardrobe> yay natter crash!
12:40: [mentat]>
12:43: wardrobe> so abort
12:43: mumoss>
12:44: [mentat]>
12:44: Chox> so many ppl
12:44: * [mentat] test out the IRC stuff on grapevine
12:44: wardrobe> how odd, natter went so nuts it ran right into Fullnames
12:45: [mentat]> V unstable
12:46: [mentat]> Hi COLON Chox COLON
12:46: Chox> :chox:
12:46: * Chox still spanks ACP until he fixes TIB article
12:47: [mentat]> What's wrong with it?
12:47: Chox> It has 3 mistakes in it
12:48: mumoss> 3?
12:48: mumoss> Didn't pick up the third...
12:48: Chox> "its", AcornSearch and a missing fullstop.
12:50: mumoss> There's also *sone* details...
12:50: mumoss> *upcomming*
12:50: mumoss> *whilest*
12:50: [mentat]> OK, I get the point
12:51: mumoss>
12:51: Chox> 6 then Not bad for such a short article; perhaps he might consider writing for Mylies instead?
12:53: mumoss> Someone should file off some 'corrections'
12:53: * Chox spots another. It should be RISC OS
12:53: mumoss> Not me though
12:53: wardrobe> so chox
12:53: wardrobe>
12:56: * [mentat] could edit it
12:56: Chox> off to it
12:56: mumoss> http://www.trygve.com/doomsday.html
12:56: [mentat]> Don't think such good idea
12:57: mumoss> Why not?
12:57: mumoss> It's only corrections; not altering the meaning of the article
12:57: mumoss> It doesn't make TIB look that good
12:59: Chox> heh,   rules
13:01: +++ [mentat] has changed the topic to 'Would the collapse of the Internet be catastrophic for the entire civilised world?'
13:01: Chox> It's a silly question
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13:02: Chox> The only thing to bring about the collapse of the internet would be a civilisation catastrophe
13:03: [mentat]> That's what it says on the doomsday page
13:03: [mentat]> You are right, of course
13:03: mumoss> Which is a silly joke
13:03: * Chox tries
13:04: mumoss>
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13:13: Chox> curry
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13:31: Kinetic> Read my NetSurf email
13:32: * Kinetic might ask to be upgraded to Graphic Designer/Tester
13:32: mumoss> The one about the icons? I have done
13:32: Kinetic> Yup
13:33: mumoss> Haven't seen the icon yet though...
13:33: Kinetic> Hmm...
13:33: mumoss> I'll do some testing as soon as my RPC is connected
13:33: Kinetic> Run !boot in netsurf
13:33: Kinetic> To see the new icon
13:33: mumoss> I'll download it in a bit then
13:34: Kinetic>
13:36: mumoss>
13:39: mumoss> :chox:
13:39: * Kinetic finds mre bugs
13:39: Kinetic> more
13:40: mumoss> Netsurf?
13:40: Kinetic> yes
13:40: Kinetic> A redraw bug
13:41: Kinetic> http://banners.iconbar.com/netsurf/redraw.jpg
13:41: Kinetic> That happens if you drag it off and on the bottom of the screen
13:42: mumoss>
13:43: mumoss> Still, it looks as though development is going well
13:43: * Kinetic reports.it
13:43: Kinetic>
13:43: mumoss> Hmmm; a modem really should be the next thing on my list
13:45: * Kinetic sends to mailing list
13:45: mumoss> Bah. I'm f*** all use as a tester
13:46: Kinetic> I thought I was at first
13:46: mumoss> But at least your machine is actually connected to the net
13:47: mumoss> I forgot you'd have to have the internet stack installed
13:47: Kinetic>
13:47: mumoss> I must download a copy of the new !Boot sequence
13:47: * Kinetic is writing a decent help file
13:47: mumoss> Tsk. Fresco doesn't need it
13:52: Kinetic> Bye
13:52: mumoss> Bye
13:54: * mumoss 's pepperfish account is set up - just need the password now
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14:15: mumoss>
14:16: Andrew C. Poole> Afternoon
14:16: * Andrew C. Poole slaps sourceforge about a bit for not being able to remember my login details
14:17: * Andrew C. Poole slaps himself about a bit for not remembering his password
14:17: * Andrew C. Poole looks at the development chat on his site
14:17: Andrew C. Poole> hmm..
14:18: * Andrew C. Poole should put validation on the /beer command
14:18: Chox> ah, there he is
14:18: * Chox bops ACP
14:19: Chox> 7 errors in your article.
14:19: Andrew C. Poole> me?
14:19: Andrew C. Poole> sheet! where?
14:19: mumoss>
14:20: Chox> "it's", "RISC&nbps;OS", "upcomming", missing fullstop, "whilest", "sone", "AcornSearch"
14:20: Andrew C. Poole> ?
14:20: Chox> is that it?
14:21: Andrew C. Poole> what's wrong with RISC OS?
14:21: mumoss> I think that's it, Chox
14:21: Chox> !
14:21: Chox> It has a hard space in it.
14:21: Andrew C. Poole> so?
14:21: mumoss> Although RISC&nbps;OS is even more anal than linking a comma
14:21: Chox> You have a soft space it in it your article
14:22: Andrew C. Poole> I do?
14:22: Chox> yes
14:22: Andrew C. Poole> whilest should be while?
14:23: Chox> whilst is the correct spelling
14:23: Andrew C. Poole> ah,.
14:24: Andrew C. Poole> so.. how should I type RISC OS?
14:24: Chox> in HTML, you would use RISC OS
14:24: * mumoss hopes the article system on TIB accepts entities
14:25: Andrew C. Poole> right.
14:25: Chox> The point is that it doesn't wrap, so it looks better.
14:25: Andrew C. Poole> hows that?
14:25: Andrew C. Poole> it's updated
14:26: Andrew C. Poole> does it pass now
14:26: Chox> In your article (at least in Oregano here) "RISC" and "OS" are split over two lines.
14:26: mumoss> upcomming is still there
14:26: Chox> Yes, looks great
14:26: Andrew C. Poole> should be?
14:27: Andrew C. Poole> upcoming?
14:27: mumoss> Yep
14:27: Chox> upcoming
14:27: * Chox has one final pedantic one
14:27: mumoss> And thank me as well, I came up with three of the mistakes
14:27: Chox> it's "RISCOS Ltd"
14:27: Andrew C. Poole> there.. that it?
14:28: Chox> Once you change that bit I just said, yes
14:28: Chox> 8 errors - one per line - not bad
14:28: Andrew C. Poole>
14:29: mumoss> Hmmm; didn't know it was RISCOS Ltd
14:30: Andrew C. Poole> ?
14:30: Chox> Actually, there's a fullstop there too. You can even see it furthur down the page in another TIB article
14:30: Andrew C. Poole> further [
14:31: mumoss> Ah...
14:31: * Andrew C. Poole adds fullstops
14:31: Chox> :rich: got it right
14:31: mumoss> Mind you, RISC OS Ltd don't use the full stop much on their website
14:31: mumoss> +.
14:31: Andrew C. Poole>
14:32: Chox> ACP: going to remove the space?
14:32: Andrew C. Poole> what space?
14:32: Chox> "RISC OS Ltd." -> "RISCOS Ltd."
14:33: mumoss> The space between RISC and OS in RISCOS Ltd.
14:33: Andrew C. Poole> why?
14:33: Chox> Cos that's the pedantic spelling of it.
14:33: Andrew C. Poole> oh ffs...
14:33: * mumoss points ACP to www.riscos.com to see how they write it
14:33: mumoss> Although they don't seem to use the full stop
14:34: Andrew C. Poole> There.
14:34: Chox> As I said, look down and see how did it.
14:34: Chox> yayayayayayaya!
14:34: Andrew C. Poole> Have I done enough editing yet?
14:34: Chox> bah, you removed a space on RISC OS Select. /me cries!
14:34: mumoss> Gah. Chox claims credit for three of my corrections
14:34: mumoss> But I'm not after fame, so leave it
14:35: mumoss> RISCOS Select
14:35: * Andrew C. Poole screams in Chox's direction
14:35: * Chox is screamed at
14:35: Chox> Perfick!
14:35: Andrew C. Poole> There. RISC OS Select has a space, RISCOS Ltd. doesn't.
14:35: Chox> Tell you what. I'm gonna do a drobe write up. You can edit that.
14:36: Andrew C. Poole> eh?
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14:36: Chox> What's to eh about?
14:37: Andrew C. Poole> 14:35: Chox> Tell you what. I'm gonna do a drobe write up. You can edit that.
14:37: Chox> Yes, what's confusing?
14:37: Andrew C. Poole> I can't edit drobe articles.. I haven't got a password
14:37: Chox> There are other portals besides TIB
14:37: * Chox means "edit" as in find errors.
14:38: * Andrew C. Poole knows
14:38: Chox> anyway
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14:38: * Andrew C. Poole has a password for RISCOS.org
14:38: * Andrew C. Poole away Sorry.. needed upstairs
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14:40: mumoss>
14:40: mumoss> Needed upstairs? What are you doing?
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14:41: Qotr> Have u showed now ?
14:41: Qotr> showered sorry
14:42: * Andrew C. Poole quickly puts an article on RISCOS.org
14:42: * Andrew C. Poole can't edit articles there though.. you need to email the messiah to get that done
14:43: * Andrew C. Poole runs
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14:43: +++ Qotr has changed the topic to 'I don't believe in love'
14:44: * mumoss has showered
14:44: * mumoss still things a metaportal is a good idea
14:45: * Qotr
14:45: Qotr> mumoss> Needed upstairs? What are you doing?
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14:47: mumoss>
14:47: Chox> http://www.ropp.tk/
14:51: mumoss> OK...
14:52: * mumoss thinks a metaportal using news feeds and links to specific articles would be a good idea
14:52: mumoss> But probably more trouble than it's worth.
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15:34: Chox> nice
15:38: * Andrew C. Poole bursts in like a flash of light
15:39: Andrew C. Poole> ofla!
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15:40: Andrew C. Poole> mumossy
15:40: mumoss> Erk
15:41: mumoss> :chox:
15:51: Chox> :acp:
15:51: Chox> :mumoss:
15:51: mumoss> Have you read the annual report yet Chox?
15:51: Chox> laypen: :live: :chat:
15:52: Chox> yes
15:52: Chox> Quality parsing there, I see
15:52: mumoss>
15:52: mumoss> OK... time to brace myself...
15:52: Chox> it's an annual report. Don't expected anything unexpected.
15:54: mumoss> I suppose; the last Annual Report I read was when I was just appearing on the RISC OS scene again
15:54: mumoss> (if you can call contributing to forums and making a nucience of youself 'appearing on the RISC OS scene' instead of doing anything useful)
15:54: mumoss> So it was all a bit of a shock
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16:19: mumoss>
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16:19: QOTR> 2 u as well.
16:20: +++ QOTR has changed the topic to 'Neue Regel'
16:20: mumoss>
16:21: QOTR> Hooray!
16:21: mumoss>
16:21: QOTR> Hooray!
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16:23: qotr> Cya L8r!
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16:26: Phlamethrower> lo moss
16:26: mumoss>
16:26: mumoss> Ouch!
16:26: mumoss> Bloody hell that hurt
16:26: * Phlamethrower notes that nothing interesting has happened yet
16:27: Chox> aw
16:27: Chox> oh yes
16:27: mumoss> With regards to the site?
16:27: Chox> PT: please do something about these mooses with blank nicks
16:28: Phlamethrower> Chox: I would do, but I don't have FTP access. Plus the chat admin script has gone missing
16:28: Chox> aw
16:28: mumoss> Ah yes...
16:28: mumoss> I'm sure will sort it out either tonight or tomorrow
16:28: Phlamethrower> moss: yup. Sure smileys are working, but there's no reply from mentat about, erm, anything
16:28: mumoss> He's just *determined* to avoid any future problems
16:28: Phlamethrower> good
16:29: Phlamethrower> by not paying attention to current ones?
16:29: mumoss> Well, what we've got now is better than what was happening a couple of days ago
16:29: * Phlamethrower goes prodding
16:29: mumoss> I'm sure he'll sort it.
16:30: Phlamethrower> yes, but I'm impatient!
16:30: mumoss> Tsk
16:31: mumoss>
16:32: mumoss> Ha: http://wsabstract.com/howto/css.shtml
16:33: Phlamethrower> very nice
16:33: * Phlamethrower points you towards http://www.midcbells.iswe.net/devchat
16:34: Phlamethrower> because ACP hasn't installed a webserver on his own comp, he's forced to develop the chat room online
16:35: mumoss>
16:35: mumoss> I need to download WebJames...
16:37: mumoss> Gah!
16:38: * mumoss is irritated by pages telling him not to mess with the link colours on a page
16:38: mumoss> I'm all for accessibility, but that just gets a bit boring
16:38: Phlamethrower> surely if you weren't meant to change link colours then there wouldn't be a feature to let you change them?
16:39: mumoss> Well, there's features to do all kinds of horrible features to webpages
16:40: mumoss> But I think not being allowed to alter link colours is going a bit far. It'd mean you can't have black backgrounds, for a start
16:40: Chox> curry
16:41: * Phlamethrower slaps W3C
16:42: mumoss> The W3C is very silly sometimes
16:42: mumoss> But it's better than nothing at all
16:42: Phlamethrower> we should start our own, the Wee3C
16:43: Phlamethrower> hmm, iswee.3c.net
16:43: Chox> use w3m
16:43: mumoss> Shove the whole of the W3 site on it, but change all the silly bits
16:44: mumoss> Still, it's hard to be too critical - imagine what it would be like without them...
16:44: Phlamethrower> so replace the entire thing then?
16:44: Phlamethrower> yes, I suppose so.
16:45: mumoss> I wish they'd stop using/linking to articles about propriatory formats
16:46: mumoss> And the front page claim that it conforms to WACG-AA is not true
16:46: mumoss> And as for producing RDF icons anti-aliased to a white background...
16:47: Phlamethrower> send them some nice hate mail then
16:47: mumoss> Hmmm; I may well do at some point
16:48: mumoss> Might post something to the mailing lists
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16:53: Qotr> ~~~~~~~
16:58: Qotr> sfdfdf
16:58: Qotr> sd
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17:01: mumoss>
17:03: QotR> HI
17:03: mumoss> Tsk, :chox:, where's your Drobe article on the ROL report?
17:03: QotR> 4 me
17:03: mumoss>
17:04: QotR>
17:04: * Chox didn't say it would be soon
17:04: Chox> drobe is quality, not instant reporting (unless we can also do that too)
17:05: mumoss> Fair enough
17:05: mumoss>
17:05: * QotR has a nice pie waiting 4 T
17:07: Andrew C. Poole>
17:07: mumoss>
17:07: mumoss> We need to implement :acp:
17:08: QotR> Yep look 4ward 2 it
17:08: Andrew C. Poole> is the only one we need
17:08: Chox> and :rich:
17:08: Andrew C. Poole>
17:08: Chox> and :chox: of course
17:08: mumoss> It took me ages how to implement on the forums
17:08: mumoss> Hmmm; have you got a design for :chox:?
17:09: Chox> alas no
17:10: mumoss> Well, might be able to come up with something
17:10: Andrew C. Poole> well make one then
17:10: QotR> Nobody eats here....
17:10: Andrew C. Poole> draw a triangle... you know, one of those things you put under wheels
17:11: Chox> Yeah, silly. Ask RISC OS users to do something constructive for RO, and it's all apahy. Ask for a logo, and you'll have 10
17:11: mumoss> Or it could be a ieceofdairymilk:
17:11: QotR> Little Niggers?
17:11: mumoss> Gah!
17:11: QotR> And then there were none..
17:12: * Andrew C. Poole slaps QotR... Don't be racist
17:12: Chox> QR: please, that's not acceptable language
17:12: Chox> moss: yeah, silly parser
17:12: QotR> It's a book!!
17:13: * Andrew C. Poole doesn't care
17:13: QotR> Did you read about the controversy in the papers when somebody recited it's title?
17:13: Andrew C. Poole> This may be the playpen but... that's bad even by ' standards!
17:13: Chox> its
17:13: QotR> I thought you may have not
17:13: QotR> Wrong chox IT'S
17:14: * mumoss is very careful about racist terms; although he does use white honky occasionally
17:14: Andrew C. Poole> no, its 'its'
17:14: QotR> That is equally racist as nigger but you've used it in a racist context!
17:14: Andrew C. Poole> comes under that category.. that was Kinetic's incarnation
17:14: QotR> No your are absolutely wrong ACP.
17:14: Chox> QR: it's = it is. its = ownership
17:15: QotR> Absolutely right which is how I use it!!
17:15: Chox> You got it wrong above.
17:15: mumoss> Well, it's like I'm white, so I can use white honky as a joke. Black people can use nigger, either as a joke, or as a term they have "claimed back" for themselves.
17:15: QotR> No I didn't!
17:16: mumoss> But it's more complicated than that...
17:16: * Andrew C. Poole eats tea
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17:16: Chox> QR: you most certainly did. "it's title" means "it is title", which doesn't make sense
17:16: QotR> I used it as a book title as a stimulus for the recent news story but instantly got called a racist!
17:16: QotR> I didn't say that!
17:17: Chox> Sigh. Yes you did.
17:19: QotR> I said 'it's a book'
17:19: Chox> where's ?
17:20: Chox> QotR: You may have. But you also said "it's title". It's right there in the logs.
17:20: mumoss> Incidentally, why was the book brought up?
17:20: QotR> You're so quick to criticise, and be condescending.
17:21: mumoss> 's probably out getting girls or something
17:21: * Chox wasn't criticising in the slightest. It was a humble correction.
17:21: QotR> Because people weren;t ruring up for a meeting and a lady remarked it's liike '10 little Niggers'
17:21: QotR> Fine, thanks - we agree !
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17:22: mumoss>
17:22: * Phlamethrower spots mentat
17:22: * [mentat] does likewise
17:22: QotR> bfn
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17:23: * mumoss has just been sent an email about anal sex
17:23: mumoss>
17:23: mumoss> It's the Fantastic Four
17:23: [mentat]> Eww
17:23: Phlamethrower> any news about the site?
17:23: [mentat]> erm
17:23: [mentat]> No
17:24: [mentat]> What are your current needs?
17:24: Phlamethrower>
17:24: Phlamethrower> a reply to the email I sent yesterday?
17:24: Chox> tat: fix the mooses logging on with blank nicks
17:24: [mentat]> OK
17:25: mumoss> problem is, people will just keep logging on as a, b, etc...
17:25: mumoss> We could always have a password system, but that's a bit draconian
17:25: [mentat]> yes
17:25: Chox> I know, but it's better than nothing
17:25: Chox> or report ppl's hostname when they log on
17:26: Chox> like IRC!
17:26: [mentat]> Hmm
17:26: Chox> Even better. Make cookies expire after 1 min, so ppl can't just come back without logging in
17:26: * Phlamethrower points out that the IP is embedded in each line of text people write - check the page source
17:27: Chox> hm
17:27: Chox> troo. hostname easier to read tho
17:28: Phlamethrower> making it display the hostname when they log in should be easy enough
17:30: mumoss> All the stuff I had to send off about uni is sent off
17:30: Phlamethrower> good
17:31: mumoss> Just got to make sure I work when I get there...
17:31: mumoss> I hope the others don't want extensive use of the phone
17:32: Phlamethrower> use the net from one of the computer rooms, then you'll be able to get some work done at the same time
17:32: mumoss> I will do - it'll be a far faster connection for a start
17:32: mumoss> But they close at 9:00pm
17:33: mumoss> And at 5:00pm Sat and Sun :cry:
17:33: Phlamethrower> weekends are for reading textbooks and revising
17:34: mumoss> True
17:34: mumoss> I was considering keeping all my course materials on the net, instead of having to remember my discs
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17:41: Phlamethrower> gah - http://pocket.ign.com/articles/369/369333p1.html
17:42: * Phlamethrower likes his GBA
17:43: * mumoss wants one
17:43: mumoss> Is there a GBA emulator for RISC OS?
17:44: Phlamethrower> maybe. Dunno what speed it'd run at though
17:44: mumoss> Shouldn't be too bad on a StrongARM, surely?
17:45: * mumoss looks at his RPC700 with sadness
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17:47: * mumoss chuckles at 'Magenta screen of death' thread in csah
17:47: mumoss> wardrobe
17:47: wardrobe> hi and there is a GBA emulator. there's even a GB compiler too
17:47: Phlamethrower> lo 'drobe
17:47: mumoss>
17:47: wardrobe> hi moss, phlame
17:48: * Phlamethrower spots mentat mail
17:49: mumoss> You've only just learnt he's a man?
17:49: * Phlamethrower slaps moss for being silly
17:50: mumoss>
17:53: mumoss> wardrobe: got a link for the GBA emulator?
17:53: wardrobe> um, lemme see
17:55: wardrobe> aw, wait. you want a Gameboy Advanced right? sorry I thought you meant like the one before it, the colour Gameboys
17:56: wardrobe> there's no GBA emulator, sorry. only VGB
17:56: * Phlamethrower checks something
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17:57: mumoss> Ah, right...
17:57: mumoss> Still, a VGB emulator is good too!
17:58: mumoss> I've only got the B+W one
17:58: * mumoss has found VGB
17:58: wardrobe> http://www.acornemus.freeserve.co.uk/vgb/vgb_info.htm
17:59: mumoss> Thanks
17:59: * mumoss has to go now
17:59: mumoss> Back tonight, probably
17:59: mumoss> Bye!
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18:00: * Andrew C. Poole has a GBA emu for 'doze
18:00: +++ Andrew C. Poole is now back
18:00: * Andrew C. Poole spots wardrobe in a microsoft hat
18:01: wardrobe> ooh where?
18:01: wardrobe> I thought there was only one photo of me in that hat..
18:01: Andrew C. Poole> http://www.iconbar.com/news/wakefield2002/medium/P5180012.JPG
18:03: Andrew C. Poole> it's the choxter! http://www.iconbar.com/news/wakefield2002/medium/P5180013.JPG
18:03: Andrew C. Poole> is that a windows portable machine he's using?
18:03: wardrobe> yeah, that' chox uploading the drobe.co.uk show photos via his Vaio
18:04: Andrew C. Poole> nice
18:04: wardrobe> oh it's so nice when gcc gives me hassle
18:04: * Andrew C. Poole looks for the drobe report
18:05: * Andrew C. Poole can't find it
18:05: * Andrew C. Poole finds it
18:06: wardrobe> well we did two but one was withdrawn
18:06: wardrobe> http://www.drobe.co.uk/riscos/artifact394.html is the public one iirc
18:06: Andrew C. Poole>
18:07: * Andrew C. Poole spots another wardrobe with ms hat on
18:07: Andrew C. Poole> http://www.jeffray.co.uk/wf/dscn0636.jpg
18:07: wardrobe> stuff happens, welcome to the risc os media
18:08: Andrew C. Poole> lol
18:08: wardrobe> yeah that's me saying, "who's rhat fool?"
18:08: * Phlamethrower sends mentat mail
18:08: Andrew C. Poole> lol
18:09: Andrew C. Poole> Pt!
18:09: * Andrew C. Poole can't see himself on any of those photos I was there though (on the sunday)
18:09: Phlamethrower> lo ACP
18:09: Andrew C. Poole> Hi Pt
18:11: * wardrobe chuckles at WF article
18:11: Andrew C. Poole> ?
18:12: wardrobe> the bit about the portable.
18:13: * Phlamethrower points out http://www.iconbar.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=1798#19075
18:13: Andrew C. Poole> 3 weeks time
18:13: * Andrew C. Poole was reading the wrong report then
18:15: * Andrew C. Poole replies to Pt's thread
18:16: wardrobe> bbl
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18:17: Andrew C. Poole> bye 'drobe
18:18: * Phlamethrower replies to ACP
18:20: Andrew C. Poole> Would it restrict you to your own files?
18:20: * Andrew C. Poole wouldn't have thought so..
18:20: Phlamethrower> giving each person their own FTP password would be a lot safer than using PHP scripts, plus a lot easier than writing a master-of-all PHP script that includes all the functions available from FTP
18:21: Andrew C. Poole> Well what are we waiting for
18:22: Phlamethrower> I think each user would have their own UNIX user ID. Hence they could only edit files they have created, much in the same way we can restrict apache from reading some directories we created via FTP (because Apache and the PP FTP are two seperate users)
18:22: Andrew C. Poole> I see.
18:22: Phlamethrower> We are waiting for mentat to read that thread and make a decisiong
18:22: Phlamethrower> E.g. there are two FTP passwords for coder's cauldron
18:23: Phlamethrower> one gives access to the full site, the other to a sub directory containing the file uploads
18:23: Andrew C. Poole> ah.
18:24: Phlamethrower> you should be able to set the file permissions so that only the owner of the file can edit it, or everyone can edit it - much in the same way as you need to chmod the chat dir when you do a fresh install
18:25: Andrew C. Poole> ah.
18:25: Phlamethrower> of course you don't need to have each password accessing a different directory. In fact doing that wouldn't help much at all
18:27: * Andrew C. Poole slaps you about for playing in my development chat room
18:27: Phlamethrower> found the moose have you?
18:27: Phlamethrower> well I had to check how much you'd done after I left
18:27: Andrew C. Poole> yes
18:27: * Andrew C. Poole hasn't uploaded the latest changes yet
18:28: * Phlamethrower installed some extra security to the chat admin script a few weeks ago
18:28: Phlamethrower> AFAIK only me and kinetic know what it is. And kinetic only knows because he's a nosy git
18:28: Andrew C. Poole> by the way, I keep getting PHP errors in PP chat
18:28: * Phlamethrower doesn't
18:29: Andrew C. Poole> when I first type something after opening the window (already logged on) it crashes out
18:29: Phlamethrower> what kind of errors?
18:29: * Phlamethrower shall investigate
18:29: Andrew C. Poole> a PHP error it's erm.. something to do with pretty something
18:30: * Phlamethrower types
18:30: Phlamethrower> nope, works fine here
18:31: * Phlamethrower tries a different way
18:31: * Andrew C. Poole uploads to the dev chat
18:31: * Phlamethrower types
18:32: Phlamethrower> nope, no errors here
18:32: Phlamethrower> Any chance of telling me the exact error it gives?
18:32: * Andrew C. Poole will try...
18:33: Falpz> What did u have 4 tea?
18:33: * Andrew C. Poole types something like he normaly would when he apears
18:33: Andrew C. Poole> didn't work
18:36: Phlamethrower> lo mentat
18:36: [mentat]> hmm
18:37: * Phlamethrower points you towards http://www.iconbar.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=1798 should you not have seen ACPs idea yet
18:40: [mentat]> If Rich will do that, then fine
18:40: Andrew C. Poole> hi mentat
18:41: [mentat]> (but it's more work for him - and requires adding and removing penmasters as they come and go...)
18:42: Andrew C. Poole> but it's a safe bet though isn't it?
18:42: [mentat]> a safe bet what?
18:42: Phlamethrower> that's the problem
18:43: Phlamethrower> a safe bet to stop people deleting the entire site
18:43: [mentat]> well, yes
18:43: [mentat]> There is another way though
18:44: * Phlamethrower is interested
18:46: [mentat]> You'll have to wait and see (don't know if it will work yet or not)
18:46: Phlamethrower> OK
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19:20: [mentat]>
19:20: mumoss>
19:21: mumoss> Hmmm; what's this thread about, I wonder...
19:23: mumoss>
19:23: mumoss> Any ideas about when your idea will be implemented, ?
19:23: [mentat]> nope
19:23: [mentat]> (msn)
19:23: mumoss>
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20:17: Chox> baq
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