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16:24: Phlamethrower> lo moss
16:29: mumoss>
16:30: mumoss> Glad you liked the culturenest site
16:30: mumoss> Oh yes, and I've got another site coming soon, where I'll stick all my stuff on
16:30: mumoss> Can you guess the domain name?
16:31: Phlamethrower> moss.net?
16:32: mumoss> No
16:32: mumoss> Think RISC OS related...
16:32: Phlamethrower> riscmoss.net?
16:33: Phlamethrower> iconbra.com?
16:33: Phlamethrower> ismoss.net?
16:35: * Phlamethrower can't think up any others
16:35: mumoss> Nope
16:35: mumoss> I'll tell you
16:35: mumoss> It's ofla.info
16:36: Phlamethrower> 'ofla'???
16:37: mumoss> ofla!
16:37: Phlamethrower> Old Farting Lazy Alchemists?
16:37: mumoss> http://www.chocky.org/slang/
16:38: Phlamethrower> oh.
16:41: mumoss> Tsk.
16:41: mumoss> It's clever.
16:41: mumoss> Gah
16:50: * Phlamethrower slaps UMIST for not allowing scripts on user's web pages
16:51: * Phlamethrower also slaps them for using default.htm as the index page instead of index.htm
16:52: Phlamethrower> ... however there will be some kind of access restriction stuff...
16:55: mumoss> I've only got *intranet* space here at Teesside
16:56: Phlamethrower>
16:57: Phlamethrower> 50 megs of work/web space
16:57: Phlamethrower> Dunno how much space you get for email though
17:00: mumoss> Gah
17:00: mumoss> I'm glad I got my account at Pepperfish...
17:00: mumoss> I can't do anything with my uni account
17:01: * Phlamethrower looks up how to connect via LAN
17:01: mumoss> http://news.google.com/
17:01: mumoss> This page was generated entirely by computer algorithms without human editors.
17:01: mumoss> Cool
17:02: Phlamethrower> Interesting
17:02: * Phlamethrower wonders about the news summaries though - surely they'd be hand written, and so be classed as human-generated?
17:04: * Phlamethrower slaps http://www.gp.umist.ac.uk/ for not working
17:06: mumoss> Well, I want to know how they order them, and how they avoid duplicating stories
17:06: mumoss> But it does seem to stress that there's *no* human input at all...
17:07: Phlamethrower> probably lieing - after all, someone had to write the message saying 'no human input'
17:08: mumoss> Tsk; there's human input writing the scripts
17:09: mumoss> But if they can just leave it running, that's pretty amazing...
17:09: Phlamethrower> Primarily it looks like they've been ordered by how old they are, then maybe by how serious the story is?
17:10: Phlamethrower> They may have some kind of story-threading system to avoid duplicates, making sure they're in the right order, etc.
17:10: * Phlamethrower wonders what all that 'and <insert-number-here> related' stuff is
17:11: Phlamethrower> Must be related to the news-threading thing - they're printing ID numbers instead of thread/topic/whatever names
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17:11: Phlamethrower>
17:12: The Penguin>
17:12: mumoss>
17:13: mumoss> Story-threading system? How would that work automatically? Searching of keywords to avoid duplicates?
17:13: The Penguin>
17:16: mumoss> bbs
17:16: mumoss> knckers
17:17: mumoss> br:easts
17:17: mumoss> breasts
17:17: mumoss>
17:17: Phlamethrower> Hmm
17:18: mumoss> http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-958927.html
17:19: * Phlamethrower assumes that the news must be taken from some raw data rather than the web pages
17:20: mumoss> The company does not take XML feeds from publishers.
17:20: mumoss>
17:21: Phlamethrower> That means it'll break whenever they change page layouts
17:22: mumoss> Yes...
17:22: mumoss> I almost wonder whether the "not" is supposed to be there...
17:23: Phlamethrower> ... however looking at the source to some of the news pages there's lots of <!-- comments from the generator scritps - it probably looks for those, then rips the content out.
17:24: mumoss> Ah...
17:24: mumoss> Surely they'd be better off getting feeds!
17:25: Phlamethrower> Maybe they designed it to work news sites that don't offer feeds
17:25: mumoss> Hmmm
17:25: mumoss> Yes
17:26: * mumoss thinks if you're a half-decent news site, you should offer feeds
17:27: * Phlamethrower should get round to writing the TIB threadaliser
17:29: mumoss> threadaliser?
17:30: Phlamethrower> a script to collate Cheddar Gorge
17:30: Phlamethrower> I would have written it a few days ago, but the pages the forum produce are quite scary
17:31: mumoss>
17:31: * Phlamethrower takes another look
17:33: Phlamethrower> Hmm, I could look for the 'This is a long thread' text, then rip the posts out from right underneath it...
17:33: mumoss>
17:34: * Phlamethrower might as well try writing it now
17:35: mumoss>
17:35: Phlamethrower> You should write one as well - give you some practice at programming for uni
17:38: mumoss> I have no idea how
17:38: mumoss> Don't know any web programming stuff
17:38: mumoss> Can do a bit of C...
17:39: Phlamethrower> Pfft. Learn PHP.
17:48: mumoss> I am doing
17:49: mumoss> Seriously, it's the next thing on my lis
17:49: mumoss> t
17:49: mumoss> I need it for the ROMP.
17:49: Phlamethrower> ROMP???
17:49: Phlamethrower> RISC OS Manuals Project?
17:50: * Phlamethrower works on getting the threadaliser to fetch web pages...
17:57: * Phlamethrower is sure his PC is rumbling
18:00: mumoss> ROMP = RISC OS meta-portal
18:00: mumoss> Now I've realised it can all be done with scripting, I'm going to do it
18:01: Phlamethrower> so that's why you're investigating google's news thingy
18:02: mumoss> Coincidence
18:02: mumoss> I've got my own ideas on how it can be done, though...
18:03: mumoss> The hard part is getting a feed from csaa... and that is also treading on AcornSearch territory a bit...
18:06: * Phlamethrower can now view the first page of forum threads
18:07: * Phlamethrower fiddles a bit
18:08: mumoss> Disgraceful
18:11: * Phlamethrower slaps PHP for not having a null file
18:12: mumoss>
18:12: * mumoss debates whether to learn PHP or C+desktop library properly first
18:12: mumoss> They'd both be useful for different projects...
18:13: Phlamethrower> I was going to use it to control which bits of output you see & don't see - e.g. open a stream to stdout to see it, and null to not see it
18:13: Phlamethrower> Hmm
18:14: Phlamethrower> PHP is useful for writing quick stuff, such as the threadaliser - I could write it in C, but PHP has got tons of handy string/array/network functions
18:18: * Phlamethrower tries null files anyway
18:19: mumoss> Good luck
18:20: mumoss> Well, I need PHP for a lot of web stuff I'm doing
18:20: mumoss> I suppose it depends whether I put RISC OS ahead of a site on Woof!
18:22: Phlamethrower> lol - "Warning: fopen("php://null", "w" - No error in c:\apache2\htdocs\threadaliser\index.php on line 43"
18:23: mumoss> Erk
18:24: * Phlamethrower shall use an alternative approach
18:29: mumoss>
18:31: * Phlamethrower starts work on the page processor
18:31: mumoss> Hmmm; I'm debating whether to walk back to the house and get some discs to transfer a load of stuff to look at tonight
18:31: mumoss> But it'll take about an hour there and back
18:36: * [mentat] slaps mumoss
18:37: Phlamethrower>
18:37: Phlamethrower> !
18:38: mumoss> !
18:39: [mentat]> ! !
18:39: [mentat]> !!!!!
18:39: [mentat]> !!
18:39: mumoss> Hey, - guess what my new site is going to be called?
18:39: [mentat]> How can I guess, there's a swear filter
18:41: mumoss> Tsk
18:41: mumoss> It's registered, but the nameservers haven't filtered through yet
18:42: mumoss> It is... ofla.info
18:42: [mentat]> Go on then, surprise me...
18:43: * Phlamethrower slaps PHP
18:44: * Phlamethrower can access http://www.ofla.info
18:44: Phlamethrower> http://www.chocky.org/slang for the definition
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18:45: mumoss> - you're just getting the 123-reg page though, aren't you?
18:45: mumoss> b****cks!
18:45: [mentat]> For the record, Grapevine's status bar often displays ofla...
18:45: mumoss> heh
18:46: mumoss> What are you getting at ofla.info - the 123-reg page?
18:46: [mentat]> I take it you can't MSNM...?
18:46: mumoss> No, sorry
18:46: mumoss> I can NBIM though
18:47: mumoss> (Check out the front of NotBBC)
18:47: mumoss> Although I'm not sure if the Javascript in Acorn browsers is up to it - it *should* be...
18:48: [mentat]>
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18:50: Chox> nice URL
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18:50: Chox> ppl
18:50: mumoss> Yay!
18:50: [mentat]> mu, there's a NotBBC meetup?!?!!!
18:50: mumoss> Chox
18:52: [mentat]> NBIM = Ewwww
18:53: mumoss> Yes, sorry; I forgot to mention it to you
18:53: mumoss> NBIM = good, because I can use it at uni
18:54: [mentat]> This chat is better
18:54: mumoss> Yes; but I get into trouble with this!
18:55: mumoss> NBIM is more discreet
18:55: [mentat]> NBIM breaks FrescoJS
18:55: mumoss> Gah
18:55: mumoss> It seems to vaguely work, though...
18:57: [mentat]> Hmm
18:57: mumoss> ofla.org is taken - not being used though
18:58: mumoss> Anyway, the idea is that my Woof! site will be woof.ofla.info, any riscos stuff I do will be riscos.ofla.info, etc
18:58: mumoss> So I only have to buy one domain name
18:59: [mentat]> Wierdo!
19:00: Chox> moo
19:00: Chox> ment: sign up!
19:01: * mumoss has designed a logo which is a blown up system font ...ofla, and all blurry - but it looks crap
19:01: [mentat]> Oh yes. Right. Sorry Chox, I've been busy
19:01: The Penguin>
19:01: mumoss>
19:01: Chox> TP
19:01: mumoss> KONQUEROR.
19:01: Chox>
19:01: Chox> moss: what of it?
19:02: * Chox hides
19:02: The Penguin>
19:02: The Penguin> Hi!
19:02: The Penguin> Hi!
19:03: Chox> TP: you sign up too!
19:03: The Penguin> 2 what?
19:03: Chox> moss: you got the newsletter - you willing to fund K developement?
19:03: mumoss> Just felt like bringing it up: I still can't quite believe it's portable
19:03: mumoss> Not that I don't believe you, just that I'm surprised!
19:03: Chox> TH: http://www.chocky.org/unix/
19:04: Chox> moss: I haven't said it is
19:05: The Penguin>
19:05: mumoss> Chox: I live in hope
19:05: Chox> moss: hope you enjoyed the newsletter
19:05: mumoss> I could *really* do with a browser that supports CSS1 at the mo...
19:05: The Penguin>
19:06: The Penguin>
19:06: mumoss> Yes, it was excellent.
19:06: The Penguin> for my T
19:07: The Penguin>
19:08: mumoss> However, I do expect the fourth newsletter to have my name in capitals at the top, along with the words "My inspiration"
19:08: The Penguin>
19:08: Chox> moss: you haven't paid enough for that.
19:10: The Penguin> Good luck!
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19:10: mumoss> Gah, 's disappeared again
19:11: mumoss> And where is these days?
19:11: * Chox wonders why his mind's in orbit
19:11: The Penguin> Dont know m8
19:11: The Penguin>
19:11: Chox> Anyway, you need to sign up. get with the game
19:12: The Penguin> Mite do m8
19:13: The Penguin>
19:14: * mumoss debates the wisdom of putting any programs on a site called ofla.info
19:14: The Penguin>
19:15: The Penguin>
19:16: mumoss> Erm... but I should probably worry first about learning how to program properly first
19:16: mumoss> I downloaded DeskLib properly yesterday...
19:16: The Penguin> I thought you'd improved significantly there
19:17: The Penguin> :#
19:21: * mumoss tsks 123-reg for using popups
19:21: mumoss> Look, I've bloody *bought* stuff from you! I don't need popups!
19:22: [mentat]> Any guesses as to who penguin is?
19:24: mumoss> AW
19:25: [mentat]> A W@NKER? Yes...
19:26: mumoss>
19:27: * [mentat] not impressed with his current TIB form.
19:27: [mentat]> Just sent you a NBIM moss, don't know if it worked though... ??
19:28: mumoss> Current TIB form?
19:28: mumoss> It worked
19:29: [mentat]> His form (on TIB)
19:29: [mentat]> (i.e. w@nkerish posts all over it)
19:30: mumoss> Ah yes...
19:31: mumoss> Well, my stuff is good.
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19:32: * [mentat] laughs at mu
19:32: mumoss>
19:33: [mentat]> HAHAHA
19:34: [mentat]> Who is Smegmeister?
19:35: mumoss> Just a random forum person
19:35: mumoss> I like him, cos he's very knowledgable on Red Dwarf
19:35: mumoss> Far more than me
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19:37: * Phlamethrower reappears
19:37: mumoss> I hope you've written your Gorgifier!
19:38: Phlamethrower> not yet - 'twas watching farscape. I'm worried about it getting weirder and weirder each series though
19:39: [mentat]> Farscape? On what channel???!
19:39: [mentat]> And what series?
19:39: * Phlamethrower goes back to wondering why his script produces loads of errors
19:39: Phlamethrower> BBC 2
19:39: Phlamethrower> series 4
19:39: Phlamethrower> (i.e. a new one)
19:40: [mentat]> OH F U C K!
19:40: [mentat]> I didn't even know it was back
19:40: [mentat]>
19:40: Phlamethrower> first episode of it, so you haven't missed too much
19:40: [mentat]> That's how out of touch with life I am
19:40: * Phlamethrower didn't realise until today either
19:40: mumoss> b******s
19:40: * Phlamethrower slaps BBC for not advertising it
19:40: [mentat]> Phew, thank god.
19:41: mumoss> Farscape is now cancelled
19:41: * [mentat] gives BBC a right good kicking
19:41: mumoss> http://www.farscapeweekly.com/cancelled.htm
19:41: Phlamethrower> moss>
19:41: [mentat]> , what happened in it?
19:44: mumoss> I found out Farscape was cancelled on #riscos
19:44: mumoss> I miss not being on #riscos now
19:45: Phlamethrower> Crichton found his way onto an old (i.e. dieing) leviathan, and so stayed around there for some time. Then some leviathan-hunter type people turned up to drain the neural juice or something (To sell it), so crichton and some woman who was running away from the hunters had to fight back.
19:45: [mentat]> It is foolish to cancel farscape
19:46: Phlamethrower> Then chiana (Or however you spell her name ) and rygel (And however you spell his name ) turn up, because there's massive bounties on all their heads and they've got no chance of returning to a normal life - so decided to track down everyone else.
19:46: mumoss> Cancelling it - when they are really only 22 eps from finishing it
19:47: mumoss> Although it could have gone on for longer, obviously
19:47: [mentat]> Hmm
19:47: mumoss> The script to the Farscape movie has been finished though - God knows what will happen to that. Probably nothing
19:47: [mentat]> How did John manage to find this leviathan?
19:47: [mentat]> And what of Eryn etc?
19:48: [mentat]> And moss, if you could find me a copy of that script, please...
19:48: Phlamethrower> So, erm, they all fight back and save the leviathan. The pilot then says that because they'd saved them, the leviathan would fly out of the 'sacred space'-type thing keeping them alive for so long, and go to a planet where the others might be
19:48: [mentat]> ooh
19:49: Phlamethrower> Apparently the leviathan just floated along into range or something - pure chance he found it.
19:49: [mentat]> cop-out
19:50: Phlamethrower> Thos funny flashback/forwad things chiana were having at the end of the last series are some strange psychic thing allowing her to slow down her perception/see into the future/something like that. But after doing it she becomes blind for a while
19:51: [mentat]> hmm
19:51: Phlamethrower> Interestingly enough though, there was the bbc farscape web address at the end of the episode...
19:51: * Phlamethrower wonders whether the BBC will take it up or something
19:53: mumoss> Too expensive for the BBC to make
19:54: mumoss> Problem is, sci-fi has the rights in America/Australia, etc to the first 88 eps - and they aren't going to let them go. No other network will take it up because of that
19:54: Phlamethrower> So that's why it's so hard to understand what's going on - stoopid BBC are cutting bits out! http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2/h2.cgi?state=view&board=cult.farscape
19:55: [mentat]> Tssk
19:55: [mentat]> Right chaps, gotta run. Just spent the last hour on here, and hour I really don't have.
19:55: [mentat]> Seeya soon
19:56: Phlamethrower> bye
19:56: mumoss> Bye
19:57: mumoss> Yes; the BBC should do what they do with Buffy, and show late-night uncut repeats
19:57: mumoss> Some of the vids are 15, ffs
19:58: mumoss> Hmmm; debating whether I should rush home to grab some discs
19:58: mumoss> I have f*** all to do tonight if I don't
19:59: mumoss> Apart from play HOMM2, perhaps
19:59: * Phlamethrower wonders why he hasn't seen series 4 on sci-fi channel
20:00: mumoss>
20:01: * Phlamethrower goes back to work on the threadaliser
20:02: mumoss> You haven't finished that yet?
20:04: Phlamethrower> no
20:04: Phlamethrower> it's being stoopid and throwing up stoopid errors.
20:04: Phlamethrower> wait a minute - I know why
20:04: * Phlamethrower slaps printf
20:05: Phlamethrower> I was using printf to print the web page out, but that would cause it to interpret all the %'s and stuff thinking they're meant to be variables
20:07: mumoss> Ah...
20:07: mumoss> Silly man!
20:07: mumoss> Might go now; want to catch Safeway before it shuts...
20:07: Phlamethrower> Yay
20:07: Phlamethrower> OK, bye
20:08: mumoss> Bye
20:08: mumoss> Back tomorrow
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20:17: * Phlamethrower slaps PHP for not returning error messages when it should be
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20:31: * Phlamethrower dares to ask why Mr. Penguin is always so shocked
20:33: The Penguin> I'm lost 4 words
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20:34: Phlamethrower> go and find them then
20:35: The Penguin>
20:35: The Penguin> Yeh not the best place to come if u'r lost 4 words lol
20:49: Phlamethrower> fnar, the threadaliser lives!
20:50: * Phlamethrower ponders how to output the data...
20:52: Phlamethrower> Pfft, I'll just do a big table-type thing in a similar format to the forum posts
20:58: * Phlamethrower wonders why there is a page of nothingness at the start, despite the fact there are no gaps in the source
20:59: * Phlamethrower also wonders why some dates are missing
20:59: * Phlamethrower is off now
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21:12: Chox> mew
22:51: The Penguin>