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09:56: Chox> ppl
09:57: * Chox requests hangman status
09:57: Knox> There is currently no hangman game
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10:17: Iyonix> New hangman game: '--- --- ---- --- ------ ------- ------', 15 guesses
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10:20: * Chox guesses 'e'
10:20: Knox> Hangman: '--- --e ---e --- -e---e -e----e -----e' Guesses so far: 'e', 15 guesses left
10:20: * Chox guesses 't'
10:20: Knox> Hangman: '--- t-e ---e --- -e---e -e----e -t---e' Guesses so far: 'et', 15 guesses left
10:20: * Chox guesses 'a'
10:20: Knox> Hangman: '-a- t-e ---e a-- -e---e -e----e -t---e' Guesses so far: 'eta', 15 guesses left
10:20: * Chox guesses 'h'
10:20: Knox> Hangman: '-a- the ---e a-- -e---e -e----e -t---e' Guesses so far: 'etah', 15 guesses left
10:20: * Chox guesses 'i'
10:20: Knox> Hangman: '-a- the -i-e a-- -e---e -e--i-e -t-i-e' Guesses so far: 'etahi', 15 guesses left
10:20: * Chox guesses 'o'
10:20: Knox> Hangman: '-a- the -i-e a-- -e---e -e--i-e -t-i-e' Guesses so far: 'etahio', 14 guesses left
10:21: * Chox guesses 'n'
10:21: Knox> Hangman: '-an the -i-e an- -e---e -e--i-e -t-i-e' Guesses so far: 'etahion', 14 guesses left
10:21: * Chox guesses 'd'
10:21: Knox> Hangman: '-an the -i-e and -e---e -e--i-e -t-i-e' Guesses so far: 'etahiond', 14 guesses left
10:21: * Chox guesses 'c'
10:21: Knox> Hangman: '-an the -i-e and -e-c-e -e--ice -t-i-e' Guesses so far: 'etahiondc', 14 guesses left
10:21: * Chox guesses 's'
10:21: Knox> Hangman: '-an the -i-e and -esc-e se--ice st-i-e' Guesses so far: 'etahiondcs', 14 guesses left
10:21: * Chox guesses 'h'
10:21: Knox> Hangman: '-an the -i-e and -esc-e se--ice st-i-e' Guesses so far: 'etahiondcsh', 14 guesses left
10:21: * Chox guesses 'r'
10:21: Knox> Hangman: '-an the -ire and resc-e ser-ice stri-e' Guesses so far: 'etahiondcshr', 14 guesses left
10:21: * Chox guesses 'v'
10:21: Knox> Hangman: '-an the -ire and resc-e service stri-e' Guesses so far: 'etahiondcshrv', 14 guesses left
10:21: * Chox guesses 'u'
10:21: Knox> Hangman: '-an the -ire and rescue service stri-e' Guesses so far: 'etahiondcshrvu', 14 guesses left
10:22: * Chox guesses 'f'
10:22: Knox> Hangman: '-an the fire and rescue service stri-e' Guesses so far: 'etahiondcshrvuf', 14 guesses left
10:22: * Chox guesses 'k'
10:22: Knox> Hangman: '-an the fire and rescue service strike' Guesses so far: 'etahiondcshrvufk', 14 guesses left
10:22: * Chox guesses 'b'
10:22: Knox> Congratulations! The solution was 'Ban the fire and rescue service strike'
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11:25: mumoss>
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11:25: Hertzsprung>
11:25: mumoss>
11:25: mumoss>
11:25: * Hertzsprung is way behind on the ROS gossip
11:26: Hertzsprung> Give me the five most interesting things that have happened since end of July (ROS related)
11:26: mumoss> Chox> Read drobe!
11:26: mumoss> Iyonix
11:26: mumoss> Iyonix
11:26: mumoss> Iyonix
11:27: mumoss> Iyonix
11:27: mumoss> Omega still not here
11:27: * Hertzsprung goes to drobe
11:27: * Hertzsprung has read MD website
11:28: Hertzsprung> OOOH (me reads about Iyonix)
11:28: mumoss> Yes
11:28: * mumoss needs to cancel Omega
11:29: * Hertzsprung sees a FLASH intro for a ROS product
11:29: * Hertzsprung drools
11:29: mumoss> Wasn't keen on the Flash myself
11:30: mumoss> But it's cool, yes
11:30: mumoss> What have you been up to, anyway?
11:30: Hertzsprung> Hehe - good ol'
11:30: Hertzsprung> Having a holiday
11:30: Hertzsprung> Just started uni
11:31: Hertzsprung> You going to the SE show?
11:32: mumoss> Yep - you?
11:32: mumoss> ('ll probably be there too)
11:32: Hertzsprung> Yep - I'm getting rail tickets tomorrow
11:32: Hertzsprung> Yey -- are we going to have an Iconbar gathering?
11:34: mumoss> Hopefully
11:34: mumoss> Well, me and want to, but nobody else seems interested
11:34: mumoss> But us three could meet up
11:34: Hertzsprung> Count me in
11:34: Hertzsprung> Sounds good
11:35: Hertzsprung> Is MD going to be there, do you know?
11:35: mumoss> No
11:35: mumoss> As in, no, they're not there
11:35: mumoss> But an Iyonix will be
11:36: Hertzsprung> Doh - they could have had a castle/md battle
11:36: mumoss> Tsk; if only I'd worked at writing RISC OS software the past five years, I might have one by now...
11:36: mumoss> Castle seem a far nicer company than Microdigital
11:36: Hertzsprung> Why?
11:36: Hertzsprung> Their website sucks less
11:37: mumoss> Well, I said *seem*
11:38: mumoss> But some of the stuff Microdigital have said has been slightly odd
11:38: Hertzsprung> And they go to more shows than MD
11:38: mumoss> ie. arguing on newsgroups, and their objections to drobe's report
11:38: Hertzsprung> odd - like?
11:38: Hertzsprung> Have they indeed? Tsk tsk
11:38: mumoss> http://www.drobe.co.uk/riscos/artifact437.html
11:38: Hertzsprung> Very unproffessional
11:39: mumoss> http://www.microdigital.co.uk/newsdesk/September02/wedn11.htm
11:39: Hertzsprung> Information overload!
11:39: mumoss> As is normal practice the members of the press introduced themselves and asked permission to take pictures etc., requests we were happy to comply with. Unfortunately this attitude of mutual co-operation did not extend to our Livingston visit where a Mr Ian Jeffray, who represented a commercial news portal passed himself off as a member of the audience, at what was a private function.
11:39: Hertzsprung> So much to catch up on
11:39: mumoss> Mr Jaffray, a self "appointed expert", then wrote and published an article about the function together with photographs, on a commercial web site.
11:40: Hertzsprung> Hehehehehehe
11:40: mumoss> Drobe is *not* commercial!
11:40: mumoss> Yes; arguing on newsgroups isn't very good
11:40: Hertzsprung> They're hoping to sell some tshirts
11:41: * Hertzsprung likes MDs report on the ROL AGM
11:41: mumoss> Yes; that was quite funny
11:41: mumoss> If it wasn't so tragic...
11:42: Hertzsprung> Hmm?
11:42: mumoss> About the argument
11:43: Hertzsprung> Yeah
11:43: Hertzsprung> I've started arsing around with Java
11:43: Hertzsprung> Java smells
11:44: mumoss> Never used it
11:44: mumoss> I've *just* started to learn PHP
11:44: Hertzsprung> Lucky you
11:44: Hertzsprung> Good man
11:44: Hertzsprung> PHP kicks derriere
11:45: * Hertzsprung is writing a PHP library/framework/thingy
11:45: mumoss>
11:45: mumoss> What will it do?
11:45: Hertzsprung> I've got form validation, database abstraction so far
11:45: Hertzsprung> Its basically a framework on which you can build websites rapidly
11:46: Hertzsprung> (I'm hoping to make some money out of it )
11:47: mumoss> Good luck
11:47: Hertzsprung> Cheers.
11:47: mumoss> I need it do use some RSS feeds
11:47: Hertzsprung> I know loads of people that have done web design and their stuff sucks
11:47: mumoss> I'm also going to copy rich and have different colours on the site for different times of the day
11:47: mumoss> And also I need some form stuff too, to add quotes from #comedyforum
11:47: Hertzsprung> Hehe. Cheesorama
11:48: mumoss> Exactly
11:48: Hertzsprung> I'm approaching it from the other direction: Write the pages using the framework.
11:48: mumoss> Yes; it's a good way to approach it
11:48: Hertzsprung> My OO skills aren't quite up to scratch
11:49: mumoss> I need to get this #comedyforum site up quickly, so I'll be *adding* PHP to it, rather than doing it from scratch
11:49: mumoss> It needs to be up soon, and it won't use any PHP at all to start with; your approach is better, though
11:49: * mumoss hasn't done any OO stuff at all
11:49: Hertzsprung> Yeah, that's fair enough
11:50: Hertzsprung> I find OO is mixed blessings - it solves problems and creates others
11:50: Hertzsprung> And the stateless nature of HTTP is not helping me
11:50: Hertzsprung> Hidden form fields, server-side cookies... eeew
11:52: mumoss> I don't even know what OO *is*, really
11:53: mumoss> It seems very confusing; I suppose you need to actually do some to understand the concept properly
11:53: Hertzsprung> My interpretation is: related data and functions grouped together.
11:53: Hertzsprung> It doesn't /look/ hard...
11:54: mumoss> But I'm guessing it is
11:54: Hertzsprung> Err - when programs get big (e.g. >100Kb) or so ... yes
11:55: Hertzsprung> That's when OO is /supposed/ to be a godsend
11:55: mumoss> Is the OO stuff in PHP a nice introduction to it?
11:56: Hertzsprung> Erm, it's not bad.
11:57: Hertzsprung> Give it a go
11:57: mumoss> I will do
11:58: mumoss> Gah; I wish I was any good at graphics
11:58: Hertzsprung> The machine I'm working on is called ghost ...
11:59: mumoss>
11:59: * mumoss scared
12:00: Hertzsprung> ?
12:01: mumoss> Too many ghpsts around
12:01: mumoss> ijds
12:01: mumoss> efiojfsaijisafo
12:01: mumoss> GHOSTS!
12:01: Hertzsprung> LOL
12:02: mumoss> Erm... TEK's been released too
12:02: mumoss> But I can't play it because I don't have enough memory
12:02: Hertzsprung> Erm, it was in July wasn't it?
12:03: Hertzsprung> You or the computer?
12:03: mumoss> It was in May for Wakefield; ages ago
12:03: mumoss> But it seems
12:03: mumoss> you
12:03: mumoss> haven't
12:04: mumoss> been
12:04: mumoss> around
12:04: mumoss> for
12:04: mumoss> ages.
12:04: Hertzsprung> Since beginning of August
12:04: mumoss> Bah. I pressed RETURN mistake too
12:04: mumoss> Tsk. I've been around all Summer, 'cos I'm sad
12:05: Hertzsprung> Yeah, well I've had no internet
12:06: * mumoss fiddles with #comedyforum site
12:06: mumoss> We're getting broadband in our uni house soon
12:06: mumoss> Now I just need a computer to access it
12:06: mumoss> (Not spending loads of money on the RPC)
12:06: Hertzsprung> Bleh
12:07: * Hertzsprung has got old peecee
12:07: mumoss> Yes; I could try to scrounge one...
12:07: mumoss> Get a new one and give me yours
12:07: Hertzsprung> I'm might be getting an RPC/A7000+ soon
12:07: Hertzsprung> - sounds like a good deal
12:09: mumoss> Oooh!
12:09: mumoss> I'd quite like a new, cheap PC - but I can't afford it (It's Iyonix money now)
12:09: Hertzsprung> For about £25
12:09: * mumoss needs to work at Sainbury's
12:10: mumoss> Hmm, good point, 2nd hand...
12:10: Hertzsprung> How do you think the Iyonix will affect MD?
12:10: mumoss> Who are you getting it from?
12:10: mumoss> It depends if they give the deposits back - like mine, for instance
12:11: Hertzsprung> Eh? The RPC? From a school
12:12: Hertzsprung> They've got several ... do you want one?
12:12: mumoss> I'd love an A7000+; just for fun
12:12: mumoss> How much are they going for? £25?
12:12: Hertzsprung> It'll cost you about £25 + P&P
12:13: mumoss> Actually, I'd love one!
12:14: Hertzsprung> I shall investigate further and get back to you...
12:15: Hertzsprung> I am wondering which is better for me - the RPC or A7000+ - it'll depend on how old the RPCs are...
12:15: Hertzsprung> What do you think?
12:15: mumoss> Hmmm
12:15: mumoss> The RPC is far more expandable
12:15: mumoss> But I think the A7000+ is faster
12:15: Hertzsprung> True - though I don't know how much expanding I'm going to be doing
12:16: Hertzsprung> That's what I was wondering
12:16: Hertzsprung> I think both machines are about 1997ish
12:16: mumoss> The A7000 uses am ARM7500 I think
12:16: mumoss> Wheras the RPC uses an ARM7
12:16: mumoss> The ARM7500 has floating-point, you see - you *might* be able to get it to play MP3s!
12:17: Hertzsprung> Hmm
12:18: Hertzsprung> I don't need MP3s - but I would like some grunt for Artworks and graphics and programming
12:18: mumoss> I'd probably get the 7000+ - because I don't really need the expanding
12:18: mumoss> If it's more important to you, get the RPC
12:18: mumoss> Otherwise, go for the 7000+
12:18: Hertzsprung> Unless the RPC is StrongARM ...
12:18: mumoss> Is my advice
12:18: mumoss> Bldy hell!
12:19: mumoss> Of course!
12:19: mumoss> Might be worth checking out
12:19: Hertzsprung> Exactly - strongARM being 1997
12:20: Hertzsprung> (I think)
12:20: mumoss> Hopefully
12:21: Hertzsprung> Problem is - I'm in Soton and the school's in Devon
12:21: mumoss> My email is on TIB if you need to mail me about this, BTW
12:21: mumoss> Ring them up - the IT technician should know
12:21: mumoss> ...or maybe not
12:21: Hertzsprung> k
12:21: Hertzsprung> IT technician .......
12:22: Hertzsprung> Anyway, I'll check it out, but don't hold your breath
12:22: mumoss> Sure
12:22: mumoss> Just go round your local comprehensives sniffing them out
12:23: * Hertzsprung is looking for some work in schools
12:23: Hertzsprung> doing simple IT stuff, hopefully
12:23: mumoss> Oooh, what kind of work? As an IT guy?
12:23: mumoss>
12:24: Hertzsprung> /looking/ for some work ... /looking/
12:24: mumoss> I used to be head computer monitor But I couldn't do school IT stuff; I don't know *anything*
12:24: mumoss> You should find somewhere
12:24: mumoss> Schools need more IT people now...
12:24: Hertzsprung> Hehe
12:25: Hertzsprung> Yes
12:26: Hertzsprung> GOD wiki sucks!!!!
12:26: Hertzsprung> GRRR :Z
12:27: mumoss>
12:27: Hertzsprung>
12:28: Hertzsprung> Doh - no time for lunch now
12:28: mumoss> OK
12:28: Hertzsprung> Ah well...
12:28: mumoss> Talk to you soon/later/some other time
12:29: Hertzsprung> What uni are you at again? (sorry)
12:29: mumoss> Teesside - you?
12:29: Hertzsprung> Southampton
12:29: Hertzsprung> Gotta go... byeee
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12:30: mumoss> Bye!
12:31: mumoss> Tsk, and Chox hasn't woken up yet
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13:50: Hertzsprung> Sorry, forgot my name for a moment
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14:20: Chox> hm, ppl
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15:30: Chox> so quiet
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19:08: Hertzsprung> Hmm
19:24: takkaria> hi.
19:26: Hertzsprung> Hiya
19:26: Hertzsprung> takkoratorio
19:28: Hertzsprung> What you up to?
19:36: Hertzsprung>
19:46: takkaria> nothing?
19:48: Hertzsprung> ?
19:48: Hertzsprung> Exciting
19:48: takkaria> indeed
19:49: Hertzsprung> Whats all this talk of earthquakes?
19:49: Hertzsprung> Didn't know we had many in UK
19:50: takkaria> we don't, normally
19:52: Hertzsprung> Why can't I get this bloody CSS to work!
19:53: takkaria> you're probably doing something wrong
19:53: Hertzsprung> Aha! A rogue fullstop
19:53: takkaria> bad idea
19:54: Hertzsprung> Tabs and fullstops look very similar in KWrite
19:56: takkaria> I don't like KWrite any more. fell out with it after it wrecked a few files of code
19:56: takkaria> the formatting of them, really
19:57: Hertzsprung> Really?
19:57: Hertzsprung> My only gripe is that Save As sometimes results in a segfault
19:57: takkaria> yes. don't remember exactly what happened
19:57: takkaria> heh. segfaults are fun
19:57: takkaria> just write your own or use nano
19:58: takkaria> </advocacy>
19:58: Hertzsprung> Especially when it happens to KDE Crash manager
19:58: takkaria> hah
19:58: takkaria> I love it when that happens
20:00: Hertzsprung> VNCing into yourself does some strange this to DCOP :evil grin:
20:00: * takkaria does most of his c0ding on linux
20:00: takkaria> hehe
20:00: * Hertzsprung does too
20:00: takkaria> mm, this chat script supports /me - great
20:00: Hertzsprung> I'm using Moz/Linux at the mo...
20:01: Hertzsprung> ... on a 2GHz 1000Mb double-headed 17" TFT monitor machine at the mo
20:01: * takkaria is using mozilla on windows
20:01: takkaria> double-headed? *dr00lz*
20:03: Hertzsprung> Hehehe
20:03: Hertzsprung> Who needs multiple desktops when you've got two monitors!
20:04: takkaria> me?
20:05: Hertzsprung> Hmm
20:05: Hertzsprung> My linux box at home has died
20:05: Hertzsprung> The discs a bit screwed
20:06: Hertzsprung> Any ideas where I can get a DOS disc image from?
20:06: takkaria> whoops
20:06: takkaria> what distro do you use?
20:06: Hertzsprung> Red Hat (7.3)
20:07: Hertzsprung> This is the second time its happened - both times the free disc space went just below 200Mb
20:07: * Hertzsprung kicks Linux box
20:07: takkaria> heh
20:07: * takkaria uses debian
20:09: Hertzsprung> Right - got to be off - see ya
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