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04:02: testing02> hello
04:02: testing02> where am i ?
04:02: testing02> /servers
04:02: testing02> hehehe
04:02: testing02> /whois testing02
04:02: testing02> ekeke
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12:54: Penguino El>
17:13: Hz>
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17:23: monkeyson2> Ah, so this is what this looks like in a decent browser.
17:25: * Knox gives monkeyson2 a banana
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17:26: Hz>
17:26: Hz>
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17:35: mumoss>
17:38: Hz>
17:38: Hz> YEY!
17:38: Hz>
17:39: mumoss>
17:39: * mumoss is putting the finishing touches to a page about Red Dwarf model shots on the DVD
17:39: Hz> Excellent
17:40: Hz> I didn't realise you were a RD fan
17:40: mumoss> Oh yes
17:40: mumoss> I know way too much
17:40: Hz> Is this separate or part of #comedyforum?
17:41: mumoss> Seperate
17:41: mumoss> It's just one page at the mo
17:41: mumoss> But I might start a Red Dwarf archive site at some point
17:41: mumoss> Archiving various reviews, etc
17:42: mumoss> This page is just a load of nicked images from the DVD though - highly illegal
17:42: Hz> OOh
17:42: * Hz is still working on the PHP gubbins
17:42: Hz> Codenamed 'mezzo'
17:42: mumoss>
17:42: mumoss> Mezzo?
17:43: * mumoss scowls at a page of validation errors
17:43: Hz> Erm, yeah. A bit random
17:44: Hz> I'm working on date + time at the mo -- trying to get the thing away from Unix Timestamps
17:44: mumoss>
17:44: mumoss> ()
17:44: Hz> RISC OS timestamps are so much better than UNIX ones
17:45: Hz> But mezzo timestamps support dates from 1st January Year 1 to 31 Decemeber 2^15
17:45: mumoss> Yes
17:45: * mumoss slaps himself for writing ><a name="#2" />
17:46: Hz> Hehehehe
17:46: Hz> <A href="##2">?</A>
17:46: mumoss>
17:47: Hz> Aw, is that illegal?
17:47: Hz> ]
17:47: Hz> test
17:47: mumoss>
17:48: * mumoss thinks that including 60 images from the DVD in high quality is *definitely* illegal
17:48: Hz> I broke the chat script the other day, but I don't know how I did it
17:48: Hz> -- yes -- but who cares, do it anyway
17:49: mumoss> I am doing - let's hope BBC Worldwide don't get me
17:49: Hz> &emsp;
17:49: mumoss> What happened to the chat?
17:49: Hz> Have you paid your tv license?
17:49: Hz> Erm, the bold tag stayed open
17:49: mumoss> Congratulations, this document validates as XHTML 1.0 Strict!
17:50: mumoss> Yep; all paid for
17:50: * mumoss checks CSS
17:50: Hz> Then you can tell the BBC they've got enough money from you already
17:50: Hz> (any chance of a url?)
17:50: mumoss>
17:51: mumoss> Depends how long you'll be here for; you can have one in about 15mins...
17:51: Hz> Okay, I'll wait :
17:52: Hz> I'm just going to go and get a drink from the Computer Science bar ...
17:52: mumoss> It's *very* graphics intensive
17:52: mumoss> And I haven't checked it in anything other that IE
17:52: mumoss> It's only a first draft
17:52: mumoss> CS bar? We don't have one
17:53: mumoss> No error or warning found
17:54: Hz> Well, a vending machine...
17:54: * Hz glugs
17:56: mumoss>
17:56: * Hz waits....
17:57: mumoss> Just need to check a piece of CSS
17:57: mumoss> And then upload it
17:57: * Hz pokes java's typechecking with a big stick
17:57: Hz> Bleh, stoopid type-safe langauges
17:59: mumoss> Ok; just about to upload it
17:59: Hz> I bought a £36 book on Java - but it covers all the fun stuff in "Java 2 Enterprise Edition" - not "Java 2 STANDARD Edition" ...
18:00: * mumoss worried at how much IE6 is crashing when he views the site
18:00: mumoss> What browser are you using?
18:00: * mumoss kicks Java out the window
18:00: Hz> I'm not
18:00: Hz> Java isn't just applets, you know...
18:01: Hz> I'm using Moz1.1
18:02: mumoss> Hmmm
18:02: mumoss> This site might be crap, because I haven't tested it in Mozilla
18:02: mumoss> And you know how dodgy IE is with CSS
18:02: Hz> Moz usually does a good job
18:03: Hz> Yeah, but its also pretty good - apart from 6.0 which is s**t
18:03: mumoss> And guess which version I'm using?
18:04: Hz> Downgrade to 5.5 -- its much better IMO
18:06: mumoss> I can't - I'm at uni
18:06: mumoss> Uploaded it - just changing the name
18:08: * mumoss now has two copies of IE6 loaded - one's crashed
18:08: Hz> What are you doing to the poor program??
18:08: Hz> Giving it complex CSS2?
18:10: mumoss> It's *LOADS* of images
18:11: mumoss> I need to change the page layout; there's about 65 on there Thumbnails, but quite large ones
18:11: mumoss> I'll have to change the entire design so it's one page per shot, I think
18:11: mumoss> Anyway, have a go: but it might crash your machine
18:11: Hz> Uhoh ... /me starts up a new Konq window
18:11: mumoss> http://www.ofla.info/dwarf/dvdmodel1.html
18:12: Hz> Tomato Ketchup?!
18:12: mumoss>
18:13: Hz> Mmm, nice
18:13: Hz> The table borders are slightly to 'busy' for me...
18:13: mumoss> It hasn't crashed?
18:14: Hz> Nope
18:14: Hz> Nice pics
18:15: mumoss> Hmmm; do you think the table needs more padding?
18:15: Hz> Another great page,
18:15: mumoss> I spent *ages* trying to get the right freeze-frame today!
18:15: mumoss> Yay! Thanks!
18:15: Hz> Right-padding is about 2 pixels too much on Konqueror
18:16: Hz> Oooh, this 2Ghz machine is starting to groan...
18:16: Hz> Slow .. i . ng. d...own...
18:16: mumoss> because of the page?
18:17: Hz> Oops, bye bye Konqueror
18:17: Hz> Yeah - all them pictures
18:17: mumoss> Erk
18:17: mumoss>
18:18: Hz> If only all websites were as slick in design and as quick to download as yours
18:18: mumoss> It was a stupid design really; but I didn't intend to have so many piccies
18:18: Hz> I think its good
18:18: mumoss> Hee-hee
18:18: Hz> What typeface do you use for the titles?
18:18: mumoss> Although those pictures wouldn't be quick to download on a 56k modem
18:18: mumoss> Verdana
18:18: Hz> Nice
18:18: mumoss> Used for all text
18:20: Hz> Is it?
18:20: mumoss> Have you got any websites up?
18:20: mumoss> Yep A global font-family
18:20: Hz> Erm, only http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~js102/s2s
18:20: Hz> And dont bother validating it -- its all broken...
18:21: Hz> Its a test-bed for mezzo stuff...
18:21: mumoss> Looks nice and clean
18:21: Hz> Yeah, well, I try
18:22: Hz> Inspired by www.useit.com
18:22: Hz> It causes Moz to crash quite frequently
18:22: mumoss>
18:23: * mumoss posts my Dwarf URL to another forum to crash everyone's computer
18:26: Hz> I need to register with sun
18:26: Hz> They don't like people downloading Enterprise Edition
18:27: mumoss>
18:28: Hz> And I've signed up to a webmail provider so I don't disclose my uni address to everyone
18:28: mumoss>
18:28: mumoss> Which one?
18:28: Hz> Aaah
18:29: Hz> mail.com
18:29: Hz> I wanted junglemate.com but they've stopped accepting new users
18:29: * mumoss has Yahoo! for his newsgroup postings
18:30: mumoss> Although I've got my own domain now for proper stuff
18:30: Hz>
18:30: * Hz is considering getting a @programmer.net address
18:30: mumoss>
18:30: mumoss> Sounds good
18:31: * mumoss loves his ofla.info domain
18:31: Hz> Where do you get the domain+space from?
18:31: Hz> How much?? What features
18:32: mumoss> Domain from http://www.123-reg.co.uk/
18:32: mumoss> Hosting from http://www.pepperfish.net/
18:32: mumoss> Check them both out; fantastic prices
18:32: mumoss> You can get hosting from £10 a year; and it's quality, fast UK hosting too
18:32: Hz> Will do -- cheers
18:34: * mumoss is very hungry
18:34: Hz> Are you living with other stoodents?
18:35: mumoss> Yeah
18:36: mumoss> They're OK, but slightly annoying
18:36: mumoss> But we do have broadband now
18:36: mumoss> Now I just need a network card
18:36: Hz> Do you eat together or separately?
18:37: mumoss> Seperately
18:37: mumoss> Well, I do, anyway
18:37: Hz> Aw
18:37: Hz> I'm living with some other random folk
18:38: * mumoss is a recluse
18:38: mumoss> What are they like?
18:38: Hz> They're all mad, but friendly enough
18:38: mumoss> Yeah, same here, really
18:39: mumoss> Not my kind of people, but OK to live with
18:39: mumoss> I rarely find people on my wavelength
18:39: Hz> -- ditto
18:39: Hz> That's why I'm not in halls
18:40: mumoss> Aw
18:40: mumoss> I was in halls last year; didn't really get on with anyone
18:40: mumoss> I did spend a night playing Final Fantasy with one guy, but that's it
18:40: Hz> Errr, right
18:41: Hz> I'm trying not to turn into a recluse, but it requires work...
18:41: mumoss> Nothing wrong with being a recluse for some of the time
18:41: mumoss> But I just wish I knew people round here who I *really* got on with
18:41: mumoss> I've only ever had that two or three times...
18:41: Hz> I guess
18:41: mumoss> And I don't know them anymore
18:42: Hz> -- I get on with several ppl, but they're only aquaintances really
18:43: mumoss>
18:43: mumoss> I do have my girlfriend; but she's 300 miles away
18:43: Hz> I don't mind -- that's good enough for me
18:43: Hz> B*gger
18:44: Hz> I don't have a girlfriend
18:44: mumoss> As long as you're happy
18:44: Hz> And most of my friends are in Devon
18:44: mumoss> I'm perfectly happy being a recluse
18:44: Hz> Happy enough
18:44: mumoss> But sometimes I just remember what it was like to be around proper friends
18:44: mumoss> Gah! Don't shag my girlfriend!
18:44: Hz> Yeah.....
18:45: Hz>
18:46: mumoss> Erk! Visitors going round on an open day!
18:46: Hz> Already half way through the term...
18:46: mumoss> They're staring at me
18:46: Hz> Hehe
18:46: Hz> Its a bit late in the day for visitors isn't it?
18:47: mumoss> yes
18:47: mumoss> Silly people
18:47: mumoss> Must be an Open Evening
18:48: mumoss> [ f***ing stupid w**kers staring at me ]
18:48: Hz> Hmm
18:48: Hz> Make it look like your doing something useful
18:48: mumoss> They've gone
18:49: Hz> Ah
18:49: mumoss> I just blatantly chatted away to you
18:49: Hz> Heheheeh
18:49: Hz> No wonder they were staring
18:50: * Hz checks out drobe
18:50: mumoss> gah
18:50: mumoss> Silly computer slow
18:51: Hz> Oooh lots of new articles
18:53: * mumoss has checked it lots today already
18:53: mumoss> I *even* managed a good joke
18:53: mumoss> ...
18:53: mumoss> ...........
18:53: Hz> Where where??
18:54: mumoss> In the A500 prototype thread
18:54: mumoss> /news article
18:54: mumoss> /comments
18:54: Hz> Where where??
18:55: * Hz reads about Zap
18:56: mumoss> Zap = good
18:56: Hz> Zap = better than good
18:56: mumoss> SUCH RUDENESS!
18:56: Hz> Zap = the worlds best text editor
18:56: mumoss> I use Zap for everything
18:56: Hz> I dont ...
18:57: mumoss>
18:57: Hz> I use KWrite mostly
18:58: * mumoss wants to write a new XHTML mode for Zap, which colours deprecated elements - but he doesn't know how
18:58: Hz> I think its quite hard writing Zap modes -- I looked at it once
18:58: Hz> Better contact the author of HoTMeaL
18:59: mumoss> Yes; impossible for me
18:59: mumoss> I need to know ARM assembly first
19:00: Hz> Oooheer -- some people tell me its easy but I dont think it is
19:00: mumoss> A *colouring* mode only should be the easiest of the lot, really
19:01: mumoss> But that doesn't mean I'm capable of it yet
19:01: Hz> Kwrite uses XML to define its syntax highlighting
19:01: Hz> Dead easy to do
19:01: mumoss> Heh; nice!
19:02: mumoss> That's really impressive, actually
19:02: mumoss> What you lose in bloat, you gain in development time
19:02: Hz> Yep
19:02: Hz> Its not quite as flexible as Zap, but its more than adequate
19:03: mumoss> But writing a Zap mode is far more of a challenge
19:03: * Hz downloads Zap 1.45
19:03: mumoss> And you get RISC OS street-cred too
19:05: Hz> Hehe
19:05: Hz> I'm trying to get enought stuff to burn a CD
19:06: mumoss> I was going to do that
19:06: mumoss> But in the end I just shoved stuff onto disc
19:06: mumoss> I do need to burn a CD for a load of MP3s, though
19:06: Hz> What floppy?
19:06: Hz> I need Java!
19:08: mumoss>
19:08: mumoss> No, I meant Zap
19:09: Hz> Yeah -- I'm stuffing that on a CD too
19:10: Hz> J2SE is 40Mb
19:10: Hz> And I've got a Moz 1.1 upgrade
19:11: Hz> Can you think of any other RISC OS/Linux/Windows software I might need??
19:11: mumoss> Hmmm
19:11: mumoss> Do you do any RISC OS programming?
19:12: Hz> Erm, some
19:12: Hz> I've bought the PRMs at the show with good intentions
19:13: mumoss> You could always download some C desktop libraries
19:13: * mumoss thinks of other stuff
19:13: mumoss> Stronghelp
19:13: Hz> Any links?
19:14: mumoss> Arcweb is interesting; if only it had table support, it'd be very nice
19:14: mumoss> Erm
19:14: mumoss> No
19:14: mumoss> Google
19:14: Hz> Yeah, okay
19:15: * Hz loves download Mbs
19:16: mumoss> I've got some links to clean BBC News MP3s, if you're into that kind of thing
19:16: mumoss> I am, but most people aren't
19:16: Hz> Nah, not reall
19:16: Hz> y
19:17: Hz> I'm not a big Mp3 fan
19:17: mumoss>
19:17: Hz> Me sticks to CDs
19:18: mumoss> You can't get BBC News CDs
19:18: mumoss> ...actually, there is one
19:18: Hz> I don't want to clog up my new 40GB disc with crap
19:19: +++ Iyonix has changed the topic to 'RISC OS/Playpen T-Shirts - http://mysober.co.uk/'
19:21: mumoss>
19:21: mumoss>
19:21: * Hz downloads stronghelp manuals
19:22: mumoss> + =
19:22: Hz> "FileTypes 1.00 Richard Goodwin"
19:22: Hz> WHJAT?
19:25: mumoss>
19:25: mumoss> - =
19:25: Hz> Eh?
19:27: mumoss> + = 1/2
19:28: Hz> Do!
19:28: Hz> h!
19:28: Hz> Mozilla crashed
19:28: mumoss> Wah!
19:28: mumoss> Poor mozilla
19:29: Hz> I think I was downloading too much
19:29: Hz> Just downloaded about 20 Stronghelp manuals
19:29: mumoss>
19:29: * mumoss's stomach is growling
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19:30: Hz> Died again
19:30: mumoss>
19:31: mumoss>
19:31: mumoss>
19:31: mumoss>
19:31: * Hz tries using Konqueror
19:32: Hz> Stalled at 2%
19:32: * mumoss notices ST has posted in The Playpen again
19:33: Hz> Ah yes
19:33: * Hz tries a mirror
19:34: mumoss>
19:35: Hz> Stalled at 30%
19:35: mumoss>
19:36: Hz>
19:36: Hz> They're all stalling!!
19:37: mumoss>
19:38: Hz> This is just STUPID!
19:38: Hz> YEY!
19:38: Hz> Good ol' ftp
19:39: mumoss>
19:39: * mumoss has just been illegal in the Playpen
19:40: * mumoss likes FTP too
19:40: mumoss> And I also like a
19:40: mumoss>
19:40: mumoss>
19:40: Hz> Too many swear word in the 'pen
19:41: mumoss>
19:42: * mumoss swears a bit too fucking much
19:42: Hz> Shut up
19:43: mumoss>
19:44: Hz> I can't find an FTP mirror for wxPython
19:44: mumoss>
19:45: Hz> The internet access at work was much better than stoopid uni
19:45: Hz> We had dual T1 leased lines to a server in Germany
19:46: mumoss>
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19:46: mumoss>
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19:46: mumoss>
19:46: Hz> Calm down!
19:47: mumoss>
19:47: Hz> I give up
19:49: mumoss> wxPython
19:49: mumoss> Can't say I know of it
19:49: +++ Hz has cleared the topic
19:49: mumoss> Sorry
19:49: Hz> Its a GUI toolkit
19:49: Hz> Why am I having such trouble with downloads?
19:50: mumoss> Because your uni has a flaky network?
19:50: Hz> But it SHOULDN'T!
19:50: Hz> Its supposed to be ultra-amazingly-whiz-bang-brilliant!
19:52: mumoss>
19:52: mumoss> Maybe you have bad technicians
19:52: Hz> New GCC release
19:52: Hz> http://iconbar.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=2190#23885
19:52: mumoss>
19:53: mumoss> 11 months since the last release
19:55: Hz> Yup
19:56: Hz> If I was a news person I could beat drobe to a report
19:56: mumoss> Hey, join #playpen
19:56: Hz> How?
19:57: mumoss> http://chat.ircnet.org/
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19:59: * mumoss is leaving playpen chat for now - can't concentrate on everything at once!
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