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17:16: Hertzsprung>
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17:28: Phlamethrower> *appears in a cloud of s****
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17:28: Phlamethrower> oops. must remember to flush first
17:28: mumoss>
17:28: mumoss>
17:28: mumoss> ,
17:29: Hertzsprung>
17:29: Hertzsprung> Bonjour tout de monde
17:29: Phlamethrower> monkey monkey monkey monkey monkey hyper-hyper-hyper-hyper-hyper-hyper!
17:29: mumoss> Ey up!
17:30: Hertzsprung> Nice seeing you (briefly) at SEShow
17:30: Phlamethrower> gah, typing in the dark is hard. or my keyboard is at the wrong angle
17:30: * Phlamethrower goes to turn the light on
17:30: Hertzsprung> - were you at the show?
17:30: * Phlamethrower reappears
17:30: Phlamethrower> - nope
17:31: mumoss> Yes, nice to see you too
17:31: Phlamethrower> so, erm, why are we here?
17:31: mumoss> Pity we couldn't talk more
17:31: Hertzsprung> Yeah
17:31: Hertzsprung> - that is a very deep question
17:32: Hertzsprung> You're :ribbit: had to hop off somewhere
17:32: Phlamethrower> not that deep - why have you summoned us to the chat thingy?
17:32: Hertzsprung> - what's your excuse?
17:32: Hertzsprung> Because TIB is inefficient
17:33: mumoss> ribbit's mum was ill
17:33: Phlamethrower> - I'm in manchester. the SE show is in the south east. therefore too far
17:33: mumoss> So we had to go early
17:33: Hertzsprung>
17:33: mumoss> - come to the Midlands show!
17:33: Hertzsprung> Oh dear
17:33: Hertzsprung> - are you going to it?
17:34: mumoss> I will if any other Playpenners are
17:34: * Phlamethrower has no idea when/where the midlands show will be
17:35: Hertzsprung> I probably wont be
17:35: Hertzsprung> It's further for me
17:35: mumoss> http://www.armclub.org.uk/shows/midlands/
17:35: mumoss> I probably won't either then
17:35: mumoss> I need to save the money
17:36: * mumoss has a HUGE PHP learning stint tonight
17:36: mumoss> I know nothing now - you can test me in the morning
17:36: Hertzsprung> Hehe
17:36: * Hertzsprung knows lots of PHP
17:36: Phlamethrower> learn something now
17:37: Hertzsprung> Since I am writing this PHP library thing
17:37: mumoss> Hmmm; I have learnt <?php ?> today
17:37: * Phlamethrower knows loads of PHP too
17:37: Hertzsprung> What are you going to use PHP for?
17:38: * Phlamethrower could go on and boast about all his php powered stuff, but that would probably bore people too much
17:38: mumoss> Actually, the main reason I need it so fast is so I can use an RSS parser I've found; it's something that needs to be implemented quickly
17:38: mumoss> But after that, I'll learn it properly and probably do the same thing as you at some point
17:38: mumoss> Not yet though
17:38: mumoss> - have you got a website?
17:38: * Hertzsprung is grappling with OO design at the mo
17:39: Phlamethrower> - not yet. no time/money/ideas/brain cells left to commit to such a task
17:39: Hertzsprung> - you know OO, don't you?
17:39: Phlamethrower> OOP is POOp. 'tis piss easy.
17:40: Phlamethrower> OOP = Make everything into an object. Simple as that.
17:40: Hertzsprung> Oh really?
17:40: Hertzsprung> You think so??
17:40: mumoss>
17:40: Phlamethrower> yup
17:40: Hertzsprung> I'm trying to implement a framework-type thing
17:40: Phlamethrower> why, do you think different?
17:40: Phlamethrower> framework for what?
17:40: Hertzsprung> It sort of doesn't do anything - just allows modules to be plugged in to it
17:41: Hertzsprung> For PHP pages - with each module rendering to the page
17:41: mumoss> I need to develop an article-publishing system at some point
17:41: Phlamethrower> modules for what? what are the modules in? PHP?
17:41: mumoss> (Similar to /., etc)
17:41: mumoss> For the #comedyforum site
17:41: mumoss> But that comes later
17:41: Hertzsprung> eg: I've got a "form" module, a "news" module, "login" module
17:42: Phlamethrower> - I think I'd need to know a bit more about what you're aiming to do before I can give you any advice. post to tib if you want.
17:43: Hertzsprung> - I think *I* need to know a bit more about what I'm aiming to do!
17:43: Hertzsprung> I need to write some well-defined requirements
17:44: Hertzsprung> And define the interfaces for the module with it's environment etc etc
17:44: mumoss>
17:44: Hertzsprung> I haven't got much experience of writing medium/large scale applications
17:45: Phlamethrower> I think I know what you're talking about doing
17:45: Hertzsprung> And my programs often end up as sprawling messes -- somthing I'm trying to avoid this time round
17:46: Phlamethrower> Yes, having well defined interfaces will help to avoid sprawling messes, problems when upgrading/expanding, etc.
17:47: Hertzsprung> Indeed.
17:47: Hertzsprung> Problem is, I haven't written many modules yet, and I'm not sure how to "future-proof" the framework/interface
17:48: mumoss> Make sure it outputs to W3C standards
17:48: Hertzsprung> I am trying to do XHTML complaint HTML
17:49: mumoss> Right...
17:50: Hertzsprung> But it's not W3 complaint yet - since I haven't written this "framework" bit
17:50: Phlamethrower> future proofing = easy to expand. For example rather than using proprietry storage formats, use the serialise() and unserialise() functions to convert the data structures directly.
17:50: Hertzsprung> Why do I need to serialise data?
17:50: Phlamethrower> - I'm sure that an empty page could be classed as W3C compliant
17:51: Phlamethrower> Lets say you've got an array of user account info. you could:
17:51: Hertzsprung> No - that is not the case - HTML, BODY, HEAD and TITLE tags are always required
17:52: Phlamethrower> 1. write some code to output it in your own format. This code would then have to change each time you update the array format
17:52: mumoss> And DOCTYPE
17:52: Phlamethrower> 2. use serialise() to convert the data and its definition into a standard format
17:53: Phlamethrower> 3. do a similar thing but by using an XML library, which would in essence reduce portability since the library may not always be present
17:53: Hertzsprung> I'm trying to use XML at the mo
17:53: Phlamethrower> With 2. and 3. you don't have to worry about writing code which can read old and new format files
17:53: Hertzsprung> I would argue XML is extremely portable, but I take your point
17:54: Phlamethrower> all you'd need are a few extra checks to make sure that structure properties exist before trying to read them
17:54: Hertzsprung> Hmm, v interesting
17:55: Phlamethrower> it's probably quicker for PHP to do the conversion itself, but XML is easier for humans to read/write
17:56: Hertzsprung> I'm trying to write a document manager module at the mo
17:56: Hertzsprung> Which uses XML to describe the documents' structure
17:56: Hertzsprung> I'm going to use these XML files to build navigation trees and such like...
17:57: * Phlamethrower sees what you mean
17:58: Hertzsprung> I'm not sure whether to write the documents in HTML/DocBook or my own XML flavour
17:58: Hertzsprung> I've briefly looked at DocBook - seems quite useful
17:59: * Phlamethrower points man to his latest reply on http://www.iconbar.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=2103#22983
18:00: Hertzsprung> Anyway, its my problem, not yours so I guess I'll shut up now
18:00: * Phlamethrower requests hangman status
18:00: Knox> There is currently no hangman game
18:00: * Phlamethrower trys thinking of something to talk about
18:01: Hertzsprung>
18:02: * mumoss looks at TIB
18:02: Hertzsprung> I've finished the lab work (finally)
18:02: mumoss> New hangman game: '---- -- ----', 5 guesses
18:02: Phlamethrower> I could boast about a project I'm working on if you want
18:02: * Phlamethrower guesses 'e'
18:02: Knox> Hangman: '---- -- ----' Guesses so far: 'e', 4 guesses left
18:02: * Phlamethrower guesses 'a'
18:02: Knox> Hangman: '---- -- ----' Guesses so far: 'ea', 3 guesses left
18:02: Hertzsprung> Go on...
18:02: * Phlamethrower guesses 'o'
18:02: Knox> Hangman: '---- O- ----' Guesses so far: 'eao', 3 guesses left
18:02: * Phlamethrower guesses 'n'
18:02: Knox> Hangman: '---- O- ----' Guesses so far: 'eaon', 2 guesses left
18:03: * Phlamethrower guesses 'f'
18:03: Knox> Hangman: '---- O- ----' Guesses so far: 'eaonf', 1 guesses left
18:03: * Phlamethrower guesses 'h'
18:03: Knox> Hard luck, the solution was 'RISC OS 9.87'
18:03: Phlamethrower> 9.87?!?!?
18:03: Hertzsprung> HEHEHE
18:04: Hertzsprung> Castle's up and coming release!
18:04: mumoss>
18:04: mumoss> Maybe 5 guesses was too hard
18:05: Hertzsprung> How do you play this hangman thing?
18:05: Hertzsprung> Is it new?
18:05: mumoss> Not that new
18:05: mumoss> Click on Help
18:05: Phlamethrower> It's about two months old by now!
18:05: Hertzsprung> Yeah, well I've been away for a long time
18:06: * Phlamethrower couldn't remember when it was you vanished
18:06: +++ Hertzsprung has changed the topic to 'Phlamethrower's new projects'
18:06: Hertzsprung> Beginning of August
18:06: Phlamethrower> Yup, my new project is myself
18:06: Hertzsprung> Now tell us about your project
18:07: Phlamethrower> Which project in particular? I have many
18:07: Hertzsprung> You choose
18:08: Phlamethrower> geh
18:08: Phlamethrower> well there's Harvey, my PHP based mail/news/forum/whatever harvester/viewer/editor thingy
18:09: Hertzsprung> Oooh
18:09: Phlamethrower> Started it because I found I had about 10-20 different mail accounts/news sites/forums to check 'regularly', and couldn't be a**ed checking them all the time
18:10: Phlamethrower> so it would be handy to have a program to check them all for me and tell me about anything new which has turned up
18:10: mumoss>
18:10: Iyonix> Hello
18:11: Phlamethrower> Works around a plugin based generic interface, allowing for tree-type data structures
18:11: Hertzsprung>
18:11: mumoss>
18:11: Hertzsprung> Can I borrow your plugin generic interface
18:11: Iyonix>
18:11: * mumoss picks his smelly ear
18:11: Phlamethrower> e.g. a news site would just be a big list of news items. A more advanced one might be a list with sub-lists containing comments, etc.
18:12: Phlamethrower> :iyonix:
18:12: Iyonix>
18:12: Hertzsprung> Hello Iyonix
18:12: Phlamethrower> it's piss easy to write a generic interface in PHP...
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18:12: Hertzsprung> Who are you :iyonix:?
18:12: Hertzsprung>
18:12: Phlamethrower> iyonix = AW
18:13: +++ [mentat] has changed the topic to 'BOO'
18:13: Phlamethrower> he decided to change his name because of the new computer - pathetic
18:13: Phlamethrower> mantat!
18:13: Hertzsprung> And as if by magic...
18:13: Hertzsprung> Oh - it's andrew, erm, thingy
18:14: [mentat]> What are you on about, Hz?
18:14: mumoss> Iyonix = Andrew Duffell, not Weston
18:14: Phlamethrower> bleh, there'll all the same to me
18:14: * Phlamethrower slaps his grammar
18:14: Hertzsprung> Is John Duffell a relation of his?
18:15: Hertzsprung>
18:15: +++ Phlamethrower has changed the topic to 'Playpen website updatey news stuff - http://www.iconbar.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=2077#22985'
18:15: mumoss> brother
18:15: [mentat]> Iyonix = Kinetic = ADuffypoos, clearly
18:16: mumoss>
18:16: mumoss> 4
18:16: Hertzsprung> Cos I met John Duffell at SE Show
18:17: mumoss> John seemed nice
18:17: mumoss> Far away from the kind of person who COMPLAINED about The Playpen
18:17: Hertzsprung> Yeah - he is
18:17: Hertzsprung> Eh?
18:17: Hertzsprung> Did he?
18:18: * [mentat] growls at Rich
18:18: mumoss> Ages ago
18:18: Phlamethrower> - yup.
18:18: mumoss> Check Site Comments, I think it was in
18:19: Hertzsprung> Oh.
18:19: Hertzsprung> I vaguely remember...
18:19: * [mentat] remembers
18:20: mumoss> Not the same thread, but http://iconbar.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=621
18:20: mumoss> As I said though, he seemed really nice
18:20: mumoss> A playpennish kind of person really
18:21: Hertzsprung> Hehehe
18:21: Hertzsprung> Once you get in you cant get out
18:22: [mentat]> Did you HAVE to drag that thread up again, ?
18:22: * [mentat] slaps moss round the face with his big stick
18:22: mumoss> http://iconbar.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=597
18:22: mumoss> I just like the title, that's all
18:22: * mumoss thinks of old arguments to bring up
18:22: * Hertzsprung yawns with the tedium of uni assignments
18:24: mumoss> <b>PHP</b>
18:24: mumoss> f***
18:24: mumoss> PHP
18:24: mumoss>
18:24: Hertzsprung> tes
18:24: Phlamethrower> what about PHP?
18:25: Hertzsprung> bleh[
18:25: Hertzsprung>
18:25: Hertzsprung> ?
18:25: Hertzsprung> test...
18:25: Hertzsprung> ...
18:25: Hertzsprung> test[
18:25: Hertzsprung> t
18:25: Hertzsprung> Doh
18:25: Phlamethrower>
18:25: mumoss> It looks pretty easy to learn, from the quick look I've had
18:25: mumoss>
18:25: mumoss> Is it?
18:26: Hertzsprung> Yup
18:26: Phlamethrower> yup
18:26: Phlamethrower> a copy of the PHP manual will soon become your best friend
18:26: mumoss> Ah
18:26: mumoss> That;'s online, yes?
18:26: mumoss> -;
18:27: Phlamethrower> yup, although I'd recommend downloading it for speed/convenience
18:27: Hertzsprung> www.php.net
18:27: Hertzsprung> The online version has its advantages - ie searching and reading the comments
18:28: * mumoss downloads it
18:28: mumoss> Please note that due to some technical problems, the PDF version of the manual is not complete, but only the first 45 chapters are available. Other formats hold the complete manual.
18:28: mumoss>
18:29: * Phlamethrower uses the HTML version
18:29: mumoss> Just downloading that
18:29: mumoss> What format is is compressed in?
18:29: Phlamethrower> look at the file extension, stupid
18:30: mumoss> I didn't recognise the bz2 bit
18:30: Hertzsprung> That's an bzip2 archive
18:31: mumoss> Can !Sparkplug deal with it?
18:31: * Hertzsprung uses the 150Mb version
18:31: Hertzsprung> - I doubt it
18:31: Hertzsprung> Get a .ZIP format
18:31: * Phlamethrower has no idea
18:31: mumoss> Hmm
18:32: mumoss> It doesn't have it in ZIP format
18:33: mumoss> Bah
18:33: mumoss> I'll have to burn it onto CD tomorrow
18:33: mumoss> Along with the Universal Boot
18:33: Hertzsprung> Subscribe to chox porting project
18:34: mumoss> I have done
18:34: Phlamethrower> http://www.harris.ukgateway.net/software.html for bzip2
18:35: mumoss> Yay!
18:35: * mumoss hugs
18:36: Phlamethrower> Bear in mind that there are 3000 files in the archive, so you'll need a decent FS
18:36: Hertzsprung> Stoopid mozzilla crashed
18:36: Hertzsprung> And came up with a "Netscape Quality Feedback" window!
18:36: Phlamethrower>
18:37: mumoss> Ah
18:37: mumoss> b****r
18:37: * mumoss has raFS, somewhere...
18:37: Hertzsprung> The window looked like Windows 3.1 style
18:37: Hertzsprung> raFS is soo coool
18:38: Phlamethrower> I doubt raFS will like that too much. but then again xfiles is even worse
18:38: mumoss> I dread to think how my machine would deal with the one big file version
18:38: Hertzsprung> raFS has a cool icon
18:39: * Hertzsprung wonders if the bzip2 proggy and raFS will cope with the PHP manuals
18:39: Phlamethrower> raFS is very slow if you try opening a dir with lots of files in. either that or it's RISC OS/slow IDE
18:39: Hertzsprung> Its caching seems a bit dodgy, too.
18:40: Hertzsprung> What pootah are you using, ?
18:40: Phlamethrower> better than xfiles though, which can produce corrupt archives just be extracting a zip file
18:40: Hertzsprung> True
18:40: * Phlamethrower notices that has vanished
18:41: Hertzsprung> Hmm
18:41: * mumoss uses a RPC 700, 13Mb
18:41: mumoss> RISC OS 3.6
18:41: * mumoss has xfiles too
18:41: Phlamethrower>
18:42: Hertzsprung>
18:42: Phlamethrower> see you sometime next year then
18:42: Hertzsprung> Wuh?
18:43: Phlamethrower> it'll probably take ages to extract
18:43: mumoss> Gah
18:44: * mumoss wants a second hand StrongARM
18:44: mumoss> I'll set it going overnight
18:44: * Hertzsprung may be able to help there
18:44: Hertzsprung> Do you remember about those pootahs?
18:47: Phlamethrower> lalalalalala
18:47: Hertzsprung> Where's everyone gone
18:47: Phlamethrower> dunno
18:48: * mumoss here
18:48: * Phlamethrower wants http://www.handykey.com/site/twiddler2.html
18:48: Hertzsprung> Spooky
18:48: mumoss> Oh, yes, ?
18:48: mumoss> What happened?
18:48: Hertzsprung> Well, I have some RPCs :0
18:49: Hertzsprung> I am hoping to canniblise them to make myself a soopar doopar RPC
18:49: Hertzsprung> I've got some PC cards, 34MB RAM, 2GB HD, S-ARM 233 Rev S
18:49: mumoss>
18:50: Hertzsprung> indeed
18:50: mumoss>
18:50: Phlamethrower>
18:50: mumoss> Just 1 StrongARM card?
18:50: Hertzsprung> Not sure
18:50: Hertzsprung> I'll have to check - anyway - if I've got some bits left over, I'll give them to you
18:50: Hertzsprung> If you're interested
18:51: * Phlamethrower thinks has died in shock
18:51: Hertzsprung> Hehehe
18:52: * mumoss is here
18:52: mumoss> Sure, I'm interested; thanks
18:52: * Hertzsprung passes the smelling salts
18:53: Hertzsprung> I'm not gauranteeing anything, though
18:53: Hertzsprung>
18:53: Phlamethrower> expect to receive 5 empty RPC cases
18:53: Hertzsprung> Exactly
18:54: mumoss> Sure
18:54: Hertzsprung> And some PSUs
18:54: * mumoss wants a StrongARM NOW
18:54: Hertzsprung> And AKF72 monitors
18:54: Phlamethrower> maybe a mouse ball too
18:54: * Hertzsprung might be able to *make* money by flogging the spare bits and bobs
18:57: * mumoss downloads a load of icons in an attempt to make his site vaguely professional
18:57: Hertzsprung> *silence*
18:57: mumoss> Or rather, amaturish
18:57: Hertzsprung> http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~js102/s2s/
18:58: Hertzsprung> A sort of test bed for my PHP gubbins
18:58: Hertzsprung> Some nice icons, though
18:59: mumoss> Nice
18:59: Phlamethrower> yup
18:59: mumoss> ribbit hates my http://hashcomedyforum.ofla.info/cflogo.png logo
18:59: * mumoss will have to change it
18:59: Hertzsprung> I think its okay
19:00: Hertzsprung> Tell ribbit to get lost
19:01: mumoss> It works better with the full black strip along the top
19:01: mumoss> If I tell her to get lost, sexy-poos goes out the window
19:01: Hertzsprung>
19:02: Hertzsprung> It looks better than some cheesy 3D dropshadow thing
19:02: Hertzsprung> http://wxpython.org/ - /me barfs
19:03: mumoss> Yes, I thought I'd keep it simple...
19:03: mumoss> Seeing as I can't design to save my life
19:03: Hertzsprung> Get ribbit to design it if she thinks she's so clever
19:04: mumoss> That python thing won't even load here
19:04: Hertzsprung> No?
19:04: mumoss> Oooh, got it
19:04: mumoss> Needed a refresh
19:05: Hertzsprung> Well, you get the idea
19:06: mumoss> Yes
19:07: mumoss> A bit too complicated really
19:07: Hertzsprung> God, this "snakes and ladders" courswork is take aages
19:08: Phlamethrower> 'snakes and ladders'?
19:08: Hertzsprung> Yep
19:09: Hertzsprung> That's what it is
19:09: mumoss> What's that?
19:09: Hertzsprung> This coursework
19:09: mumoss> New hangman game: '------ --- -------', 5 guesses
19:10: Hertzsprung> ....
19:10: Phlamethrower> as in write a program to play snakes and ladders?
19:10: * Phlamethrower guesses 'e'
19:10: Knox> Hangman: '----e- --- ----e--' Guesses so far: 'e', 5 guesses left
19:10: * Phlamethrower guesses 'a'
19:10: Knox> Hangman: '--a-e- a-- -a--e--' Guesses so far: 'ea', 5 guesses left
19:10: * Phlamethrower guesses 'n'
19:10: Knox> Hangman: '-na-e- an- -a--e--' Guesses so far: 'ean', 5 guesses left
19:10: * Phlamethrower guesses 'd'
19:10: Knox> Hangman: '-na-e- and -adde--' Guesses so far: 'eand', 5 guesses left
19:10: * Hertzsprung guesses 'o'
19:10: Knox> Hangman: '-na-e- and -adde--' Guesses so far: 'eando', 4 guesses left
19:10: * Phlamethrower guesses 'snakes and ladders'
19:10: Knox> Congratulations! The solution was 'snakes and ladders'
19:10: Hertzsprung> Hmm
19:11: mumoss> New hangman game: '------- --- -------', 5 guesses
19:12: * Phlamethrower guesses 'e'
19:12: Knox> Hangman: '------- --- -------' Guesses so far: 'e', 4 guesses left
19:12: * Phlamethrower guesses 'a'
19:12: Knox> Hangman: '-a----- a-- -------' Guesses so far: 'ea', 4 guesses left
19:12: * Phlamethrower guesses 'n'
19:12: Knox> Hangman: '-a---n- an- -----n-' Guesses so far: 'ean', 4 guesses left
19:12: * Phlamethrower guesses 'd'
19:12: Knox> Hangman: '-a---n- and -----n-' Guesses so far: 'eand', 4 guesses left
19:12: * Phlamethrower guesses 's'
19:12: Knox> Hangman: '-a---n- and --ss-n-' Guesses so far: 'eands', 4 guesses left
19:12: * Phlamethrower guesses 'i'
19:12: Knox> Hangman: '-a--in- and -issin-' Guesses so far: 'eandsi', 4 guesses left
19:12: * Phlamethrower guesses 'g'
19:12: Knox> Hangman: '-a--ing and -issing' Guesses so far: 'eandsig', 4 guesses left
19:12: * Phlamethrower guesses 'r'
19:12: Knox> Hangman: '-ar-ing and -issing' Guesses so far: 'eandsigr', 4 guesses left
19:13: * Hertzsprung guesses 'm'
19:13: Knox> Hangman: '-ar-ing and -issing' Guesses so far: 'eandsigrm', 3 guesses left
19:13: * Hertzsprung guesses 'p'
19:13: Knox> Hangman: '-ar-ing and pissing' Guesses so far: 'eandsigrmp', 3 guesses left
19:13: * Hertzsprung guesses 'f'
19:13: Knox> Hangman: 'far-ing and pissing' Guesses so far: 'eandsigrmpf', 3 guesses left
19:13: * Hertzsprung guesses 't'
19:13: Knox> Congratulations! The solution was 'farting and pissing'
19:13: Hertzsprung> How disguisting
19:14: mumoss>
19:15: Hertzsprung> woooooooooo
19:16: mumoss>
19:16: Hertzsprung> Yey
19:17: Phlamethrower> <pimping> /me writes a program for his latest project </pimping>
19:17: * Hertzsprung has no time to write real programs - he has too much C/W to do
19:17: * mumoss is concentrating on #comedyforum for now
19:17: mumoss> It's also my HND web project
19:17: * Phlamethrower has no time to do anything, but I still mange to do things I'm not meant to be
19:18: * Phlamethrower spotted iyonix for a moment
19:18: Hertzsprung> Lucky you
19:18: Hertzsprung> You're doing an HND?
19:19: Phlamethrower> ! HND! pah! you must be joking!
19:19: mumoss> HND. I was on the degree course last year, but had to transfer because I didn't do the work
19:19: mumoss> And failed
19:19: mumoss> So I'm doing HND Software Development
19:19: mumoss> And I can transfer to Computer Science after it
19:19: Phlamethrower> wait, yes, that's right. HND=crappy course for people who can't do proper degrees
19:20: Hertzsprung> I'm doing a degree ....
19:20: Hertzsprung> And it aint that great ... yet
19:20: Phlamethrower> that's true
19:20: mumoss> Quite right,
19:20: mumoss> But I am transferring...
19:21: mumoss> I wasn't incapable, just lazy
19:21: Hertzsprung> So I spend hours writing pointless easy programs
19:21: Phlamethrower> but imagine how much easier it must be for moss! we'd end up commiting suicide
19:21: Hertzsprung> Yeah
19:21: Hertzsprung> I'm starting to go mad already
19:21: Hertzsprung> I don't know how many times I've written "public static void main(String args[])"
19:22: Phlamethrower> hmm, you won't have seen my thread about the incompetent lecturers, will you?
19:22: mumoss> I spent hours coming up with dodgy web stuff
19:22: mumoss> I've got loads of sites waiting to be worked on
19:22: Hertzsprung> - yes
19:23: Hertzsprung> I think I posted a message on that thread
19:23: Phlamethrower> IIRC http://www.iconbar.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=2041 is the original, and http://www.iconbar.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=2067 is a more recent one
19:24: Phlamethrower> ah yes, so you did see them
19:24: Hertzsprung> I sympathise
19:24: Hertzsprung> You seem to have it worse than me
19:26: * Hertzsprung yawns
19:27: * mumoss furrows his brow
19:27: mumoss> Why do I need to wee so much today?
19:28: * mumoss goes for a slash
19:28: Hertzsprung> Oh for...
19:29: Phlamethrower> now what?
19:29: * Phlamethrower spots iyonix again
19:29: Hertzsprung> Oh GRRRRRR :FROWN:
19:29: * Hertzsprung pummles the Snakes and Ladders
19:29: Hertzsprung> SMEEEE HEEEEEEEE
19:30: Phlamethrower> aw, did the computer beat you?
19:30: Hertzsprung> No, the program wont work!
19:30: mumoss> Oh, damn my programming!
19:31: * Phlamethrower remembers that he was meant to be doing some programming
19:32: Hertzsprung> The whole thing's gone tits up
19:33: mumoss>
19:33: Hertzsprung> *SEVENTEEN ERRORS* ??
19:33: Hertzsprung>
19:33: Hertzsprung> I only changed only f**king line!
19:34: mumoss>
19:34: Hertzsprung> WAAAH!
19:34: * Hertzsprung kicks Java up the a**e
19:36: Hertzsprung> Hooray -- I deleted the class files, recompiled and it works
19:37: mumoss>
19:37: Hertzsprung> I'm onto Part 3 of 5...
19:37: mumoss>
19:37: Hertzsprung> "Part 3 -- Make the Game work" -- --
19:41: mumoss>
19:41: Hertzsprung> java sucks
19:41: mumoss> ...
19:41: * mumoss wanted to learn java...
19:42: Hertzsprung> WHY???
19:43: mumoss> It sounded cool
19:43: mumoss> I know nothing about it...
19:43: mumoss> BUSY CHAT
19:43: Hertzsprung> And keep it that way
19:44: mumoss> What about... C++?
19:44: Hertzsprung> Err, yeah, I suppose
19:44: Hertzsprung> A bit hard to learn, IMHO
19:44: Hertzsprung> "You can shoot yourself in the foot with C, you can blow your whole leg off in C++"
19:45: Phlamethrower> thought you were meant to be learning PHP?
19:47: mumoss> I am
19:47: mumoss> I should really learn C before thinking of C++ anyway; I need to know C
19:49: * mumoss needs another wee
19:49: Hertzsprung> Are you drinking a lot, ?
19:50: Hertzsprung> I'm fed up with Snake and Ladders now
19:50: Hertzsprung> I'm off home
19:50: Hertzsprung> Bye bye all
19:50: * Phlamethrower finishes writing spec for his befunge chip microcode programming language
19:50: Phlamethrower> bye
19:53: mumoss> Bye
19:53: * mumoss hasn't drunk much
19:53: Hertzsprung> Byeeeeee
19:53: mumoss> Is your befunge stuff on the web, ?
19:54: * mumoss kisses goodbye
19:55: Phlamethrower> - nope
19:56: Phlamethrower> probably would be if i had my own web site...
19:57: mumoss> Make one!
19:57: mumoss> Have you got any webspace?
19:58: Phlamethrower> nope
19:58: mumoss> http://www.pepperfish.net/
19:58: mumoss> OR
19:58: mumoss> would probably give you some
19:59: Phlamethrower> well I've already got two (and a half) sites on knox
20:00: mumoss> CC and iswe?
20:00: Phlamethrower> CC and ROIW. the playpen is the half, since I don't currently have the FTP details
20:02: mumoss> Yes
20:03: mumoss> Well, get some space for all your other stuff
20:03: Phlamethrower> I will do at some point
20:04: mumoss> I like having my own space, in a way; but I don't have loads of webspace
20:04: mumoss> Unlike anything on Knox
20:05: Phlamethrower> yup
20:07: mumoss> I could ask rich for some space for my projects, I suppose
20:07: mumoss> Hmmm...
20:07: mumoss> There's one or two that could do with the space
20:09: Knox> Bum!
20:10: * Phlamethrower slaps iyonix for making knox say rude words
20:11: Knox> You are allowed to say "Bum!" in the playpen
20:11: +++ Iyonix is now away (The Bill)
20:12: Phlamethrower> still rude though
20:13: * Knox gives mumoss a pint of piss
20:13: mumoss>
20:13: mumoss> f*** off!
20:14: mumoss> I don't want it
20:16: * Knox gives mumoss a pint of s***
20:16: mumoss>
20:19: * Knox gives mumoss a pint of diet coke
20:19: mumoss> Yay!
20:19: * mumoss drinks it
20:19: * mumoss spits it out
20:19: mumoss> ERRRGGGGGHHHHH
20:19: mumoss> IT TASTES OF PISS
20:19: mumoss> ARGH
20:19: mumoss> ARGH
20:19: mumoss> YUCK
20:19: * mumoss cries
20:19: * Phlamethrower knew someone who drank his own piss
20:21: mumoss> Erm; would that be me?
20:21: Phlamethrower> nope. someone real. who I, and several others, saw drink his own piss.
20:22: Phlamethrower> or at least I assume it was his own - didn't watch him wee in the bottle first
20:24: mumoss> Oooh!
20:24: mumoss> When? Why? How?
20:24: Phlamethrower> when = about a year ago in college
20:25: Phlamethrower> why = because he's a psycho. which also happens to be his nickname. IIRC he was probably dared to do it
20:25: Phlamethrower> how = first piss into an empty coke bottle. then drink from it
20:25: mumoss>
20:26: mumoss> I have done it; when I was little
20:26: mumoss> I wanted to know what it tasted like
20:26: mumoss> Answer: abominable.
20:26: Phlamethrower> he had to make a proper apology because so many people were disgusted by it
20:27: mumoss> Really?
20:27: mumoss> Where did he do it, then?
20:27: Phlamethrower> in one of the college common rooms. probably about 20 people saw it.
20:28: +++ Iyonix is now away (The Bill)
20:29: mumoss> I wouldn't apologise
20:29: mumoss> It's not *that* bad
20:29: mumoss> If he's shat on someone's dinner, I'd expect an apology then
20:29: Phlamethrower> well aparently people were disgusted by it, and complained
20:32: mumoss> Idiots
20:32: mumoss> People are over-sensitive
20:32: mumoss> Put it in SENSORED
20:35: mumoss>
20:36: Phlamethrower> what?
20:37: * Phlamethrower prods the digitalworks chip memory map format...
20:38: mumoss> Over-sensitive people
20:38: * Phlamethrower hunts for a decent windows hex editor...
20:45: mumoss>
20:47: * Phlamethrower has an idea
20:47: mumoss>
20:47: Phlamethrower> rather than write the memory files from scratch, just patch existing ones
20:48: Phlamethrower> that way I don't have to work out what the 8 bytes at the start of the files are meant to mean
20:48: mumoss>
20:52: * Phlamethrower wonders whether PHP will like strings with null chars in them... hmm...
20:52: Phlamethrower> probably best to avoid them
20:54: mumoss>
20:55: Phlamethrower> ah, fread() is binary safe, and that returns a string, so it must be OK
20:58: mumoss>
20:58: * Phlamethrower slaps windows
20:59: Phlamethrower> the mouse went and jumped half way across the screen, so I pressed the print button instead of the back one
21:03: mumoss>
21:03: mumoss> I have probs like that with Windows
21:03: mumoss> It's irritating.
21:04: Phlamethrower> Hmm, I could probably do with using regular expressions for this...
21:05: Phlamethrower> ah!
21:05: * Phlamethrower decides to explode the string
21:07: mumoss>
21:09: * mumoss must go
21:09: mumoss> Bye
21:09: mumoss> Have fun
21:10: Phlamethrower> bye
21:10: mumoss> See ya tomorrow
21:10: mumoss>
21:10: +++ mumoss has left chat
21:11: * Phlamethrower might as well go too
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21:42: takk> aw
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